Skip to main content
Rank 1
January 10, 2024
Solved

THTC meter - Removal Request

  • January 10, 2024
  • 240 replies
  • 7845 views

Hi folks,

 

I am trying to have a redundant THTC meter removed from my house and OVO seem to be refusing to do this. Can anyone help explain what I should do? Some background info below:

 

We moved to a property in March last year in the west of Scotland. The property has two meters with a THTC setup running storage heaters. We are getting the storage heaters removed in February and an air source heat pump installed. 

 

Once this work has been carried out there will be nothing running from the RadioTelemeter (THTC) meter.

 

I have contacted OVO by phone yesterday to request that this meter be removed once it is no longer in use. The person I spoke with said that OVO would not do this because doing so would stop the other (ordinary) meter working. They weren’t able to explain why this would be the case. After some time on the phone I was told that if I emailed OVO with evidence that the THTC meter would not powering anything then they could arrange for it to be removed. This seemed like a positive outcome although it was not clear why we were initially told in the call that removal wasn’t possible.

 

I sent an email last night attaching the quotes from our electrician and heating engineer for removal of storage heaters and replacement with heat pump etc. I got a positive response this morning:

I am Stephen from account management at OVO energy after reading your email we can go ahead and do that for you but i am going to give you extra information so to proceed with this job there is a charge due to the nature of it I would like to clarify that your okay with that and if you are i can go ahead and get you a price and and book the job for you.

 

Again this seemed positive and I asked Stephen to go ahead and give us a cost. I then had response email from Nahim:

Apologies for the confusion form what Stephan said but as of right now, appointments for removing THTC meters aren't available. We appreciate you gave us confirmation the property's heating system is no longer dependant.

However we are working on a new meter type that'll basically replace the current two meters and you'll get one meter. The meter will reveal at Spring and you'll get an email when your free meter upgrade is ready

 

As far as I understand it the ‘new meter type’ mentioned has been in development for years and has been repeatedly delayed. I have little to no confidence that it will arrive in spring as promised above. It isn’t clear why we should be expected to wait for this.

 

Ontop of that our experience from speaking to neighbours and friends locally is that smart meters are useless in this (rural) area since they are not able to connect to a radio mast for communication. Any smart meters fitted simply operate as ‘dumb’ meters in this area.

 

Can anyone give us some hope that it is possible to get the redundant THTC meter removed as we have requested? Is there any technical reason why this wouldn’t be possible?

 

Failing that at least any good reason why we should have to wait for the new meter to be developed and rolled out? It seems in this instance that whilst waiting we’d have headaches if we wanted to switch supplier etc because we’d have a strange setup with a redundant meter and two MPAN numbers associated with the property. This could go on indefinitely since the new meters are not yet launched.

 

Below is a photograph of our current setup incase this is useful:

 

 

We’d really appreciate any help on this!

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Best answer by Nukecad

They may well ask for consumer feedback later; once those initial proposals have been refined by industry discussions.

However at the moment that isn’t what they want or need.

So it’s best not to clog up their email with unwanted stuff that just takes up their time to deal with.
(There’s a word we all use for unwanted emails - spam).

Wait and see if they do ask for consumer feedback/opinion, but TBH there may not be time.
The clock is counting down and contingency plans need to be in place for when it reaches zero in June.

240 replies

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
April 2, 2024

You need to wait for OVO to get in touch. The replacements are being worked on and you’ll be informed as soon as they’re ready.

Securing energy by zapping security bugs... For that is The Blastoise Way! Remember, I'm just like you - AI Powered Evil Geniuses aren't Staff!
Abby_OVO
Community Manager
Community Manager
April 2, 2024

Hey @cathycush 

 

Like one of our volunteers has already mentioned, we’re actively working on a replacement and we’ll be in touch with all customers who need a replacement when we’ve got more information on the replacement. We’ll also update all related topics on the Forum when we know more.

 

We’ve got lots of other topics on this matter that may also be interesting to you:

 

 

Hope this helps.🙂

Currently Playing: She's Electric
Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
April 2, 2024

I’ve considered my latest response again for this thread.

In my personal view, the easiest way to get off of THTC remains the same as what I’ve previously posted. The least messy option is to upgrade to THTC enabled Smart Meters first and then change the tariff later if you’re eligible.

You MIGHT be able to do it the other way round, but I make no promises as to how much pain you’ll experience with trying to so do.

Securing energy by zapping security bugs... For that is The Blastoise Way! Remember, I'm just like you - AI Powered Evil Geniuses aren't Staff!
Newcomer
April 10, 2024

Interesting approach to customer service here…

  • Case raised after initial communications got nowhere - but no response from Ovo
  • Complaint raised due to no response to Case - no Ovo response to Complaint either


So… Ovo’s approach to Customer Service seems to be head-in-the-sand denial coupled with studied incompetence.

Leaves quite an impression., wouldn’t you agree?

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
April 10, 2024

That’s not what I’ve ever experienced - ALL of my attempts to get in touch have always been answered rapidly.

Securing energy by zapping security bugs... For that is The Blastoise Way! Remember, I'm just like you - AI Powered Evil Geniuses aren't Staff!
Chris_OVO
Community Manager
Community Manager
April 11, 2024

Hi @monster9,

 

I’m sorry to hear that you haven’t heard back from the team about your complaint. Have you tried speaking with our Support Team about this? They would be your first port of call as they will be able to access your account and give you an update. Sadly, we don’t have account access here so we would be limited in how to support you. 

 

If you are emailing the team also check your spam folder in your emails as occasionally responses can land in there out of sight! 

 

Let us know if you get this resolved. 

Renewable energy jokes never get old.
Newcomer
April 12, 2024

Hi @monster9,

 

I’m sorry to hear that you haven’t heard back from the team about your complaint. Have you tried speaking with our Support Team about this? They would be your first port of call as they will be able to access your account and give you an update. Sadly, we don’t have account access here so we would be limited in how to support you. 

 

If you are emailing the team also check your spam folder in your emails as occasionally responses can land in there out of sight! 

 

Let us know if you get this resolved. 


Thank you for your advice to contact the Support Team.
So far, I’ve been waiting >25 minutes for someone to respond to Webchat.

You asked me to let you know if I get this resolved. It is not resolved. What do you propose?
 

Newcomer
April 12, 2024

Transcription of Webchat conversation with Ovo Support today…

I am chasing for an update on Case Number […] Nothing has happened since the case was raised on 28-Feb. I subsequently emailed a complaint to complaints@ovoenergy.com on Mon 25/03/2024. I have had no reply other than the stock automatic email reply, which states that your “aim is to reply in no later than 2 working days”. I have had no reply. There is nothing in my Spam folder. Where are we with this?

I'm sorry about that. Bear with me while I have a quick look through your account, please.

I'm so sorry we may not be able to change your meter at the moment. We are currently experiencing some complications with upgrading, changing or removing multi rates meters Please bear with us as our technical team are working on a fix.

What is the problem removing my multi-rate meter?

We are having issue with removing multi rate rates meter. Our customers we've done this for are having issue with their bills skyrocketing and different complications with their meter set up. To avoid such complications, we've pended this so we can find solutions to avoid a similar situation from reoccurring.

What is Ovo's timeline for resolving this issue?

we are hoping to get a resolution on or before the end of 2025

 

 

So, in summary, Ovo has introduced problems in changing customers meters and, at present, has no solution to offer. At worst, it will take them a further 20 months to remedy. In the meantime, Ovo customers on multi-rate meters cannot change to smart meters and enjoy all the benefits they bring.

Preventing customers from changing to smart meters and thereafter potentially changing supplier is surely anti-competitive practice and illegal?

The date of “end of 2025” is interesting given the RTS turn-off is expected March 2025. How will Ovo deal with customers reliant on RTS between March 2025 and end-2025, if the solution is not delivered before RTS turn-off?

Ombudsman next?

Chris_OVO
Community Manager
Community Manager
April 12, 2024

Hi @monster9

 

We have a team working on this, but they don’t have a resolution yet. Once a solution has been agreed you will be contacted directly to arrange an upgrade to your meter. The team knows all the affected members' accounts and will contact you as soon as it’s possible. 

 

The current OFGEM advice is “Your electricity supplier will contact you to arrange an upgrade to your meter and replace it with a smart meter. We expect them to manage this process before 30 June 2025” There is still plenty of time available before the shutdown, so the only advice we can offer is to sit tight while the team works on a fix.

 

I’m sorry we don’t have anything further to share at this stage, but keep an eye out for updates to the forum. As soon as we know more, we will update any threads related to this with our most up-to-date information. 

 

To answer your question about going to the Ombudsman, I’m unsure whether they are currently taking cases relating to this. It’s been a widely publicised date for the RTS shut off, affecting all suppliers. OFGEM is presently monitoring this, and they know that it’s more of a widespread issue than a specific issue regarding any select few customers. You are welcome to reach out to them and ask for their position on how they’re handling cases. 

 

 

Renewable energy jokes never get old.
Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
April 12, 2024

This is NOT an OVO-specific problem - it’s an industry-wide problem. OVO merely inherited it when they took on all former SSE customers. The entire industry is trying to fix the mess, but OVO is one of only two large suppliers - the other being Octopus - who had nothing to do with creating the mess in the first place.

The Energy Ombudsman will probably not make a ruling to force OVO to replace THTC Meters at this time.

Securing energy by zapping security bugs... For that is The Blastoise Way! Remember, I'm just like you - AI Powered Evil Geniuses aren't Staff!