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THTC meter - Removal Request

  • January 10, 2024
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Hi folks,

 

I am trying to have a redundant THTC meter removed from my house and OVO seem to be refusing to do this. Can anyone help explain what I should do? Some background info below:

 

We moved to a property in March last year in the west of Scotland. The property has two meters with a THTC setup running storage heaters. We are getting the storage heaters removed in February and an air source heat pump installed. 

 

Once this work has been carried out there will be nothing running from the RadioTelemeter (THTC) meter.

 

I have contacted OVO by phone yesterday to request that this meter be removed once it is no longer in use. The person I spoke with said that OVO would not do this because doing so would stop the other (ordinary) meter working. They weren’t able to explain why this would be the case. After some time on the phone I was told that if I emailed OVO with evidence that the THTC meter would not powering anything then they could arrange for it to be removed. This seemed like a positive outcome although it was not clear why we were initially told in the call that removal wasn’t possible.

 

I sent an email last night attaching the quotes from our electrician and heating engineer for removal of storage heaters and replacement with heat pump etc. I got a positive response this morning:

I am Stephen from account management at OVO energy after reading your email we can go ahead and do that for you but i am going to give you extra information so to proceed with this job there is a charge due to the nature of it I would like to clarify that your okay with that and if you are i can go ahead and get you a price and and book the job for you.

 

Again this seemed positive and I asked Stephen to go ahead and give us a cost. I then had response email from Nahim:

Apologies for the confusion form what Stephan said but as of right now, appointments for removing THTC meters aren't available. We appreciate you gave us confirmation the property's heating system is no longer dependant.

However we are working on a new meter type that'll basically replace the current two meters and you'll get one meter. The meter will reveal at Spring and you'll get an email when your free meter upgrade is ready

 

As far as I understand it the ‘new meter type’ mentioned has been in development for years and has been repeatedly delayed. I have little to no confidence that it will arrive in spring as promised above. It isn’t clear why we should be expected to wait for this.

 

Ontop of that our experience from speaking to neighbours and friends locally is that smart meters are useless in this (rural) area since they are not able to connect to a radio mast for communication. Any smart meters fitted simply operate as ‘dumb’ meters in this area.

 

Can anyone give us some hope that it is possible to get the redundant THTC meter removed as we have requested? Is there any technical reason why this wouldn’t be possible?

 

Failing that at least any good reason why we should have to wait for the new meter to be developed and rolled out? It seems in this instance that whilst waiting we’d have headaches if we wanted to switch supplier etc because we’d have a strange setup with a redundant meter and two MPAN numbers associated with the property. This could go on indefinitely since the new meters are not yet launched.

 

Below is a photograph of our current setup incase this is useful:

 

 

We’d really appreciate any help on this!

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Best answer by Nukecad

They may well ask for consumer feedback later; once those initial proposals have been refined by industry discussions.

However at the moment that isn’t what they want or need.

So it’s best not to clog up their email with unwanted stuff that just takes up their time to deal with.
(There’s a word we all use for unwanted emails - spam).

Wait and see if they do ask for consumer feedback/opinion, but TBH there may not be time.
The clock is counting down and contingency plans need to be in place for when it reaches zero in June.

240 replies

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
June 20, 2024

Well, I have news in that regard.

Just last week I spoke directly to one of my internal contacts who has given me the latest and greatest news regarding THTC of all time. I can’t release it just yet, but my contact has agreed to help me write up an article that’ll be posted on the Forum publicly soon - you’ll know when you see it.

That article… Will answer everything you want to know…

Until then, please be patient and await further updates. I’m able to act much faster than almost any team at OVO, but I still have to get that monster signed off before it can go live.

All I can say is this… It’s something I’ve wanted to say for over two years…

I can only say this now because I had the chance to speak to my contact directly when I was visiting OVO’s Bristol HQ recently. It was not guaranteed to happen until it got confirmed right before the visit, which is why I didn’t reference it previously in this thread.

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Newcomer
June 20, 2024

So I can get off THTC finally and get a regular smart meter?

Blastoise186
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Super User
June 20, 2024

All will be revealed Soon… That’s all I can say right now.

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June 20, 2024

I'll get back to waiting 

Emmanuelle_OVO
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June 21, 2024

Hey @monster9,

 

This is our latest update on the RTS shutdown:

 

Update on RTS shutdown:

 

As part of the RTS Project development, we are really happy to share with you our progress:

 

As you may be aware, the RTS signal that instructs some of our meters when to move to the “Off Peak Period”  will be closing down soon and we need to arrange for all of our RTS customers to have a meter exchange so they don’t lose any of their meter functionality.

 

The RTS signal will end for our customers on 30 June 2025. The period between 1 July - 30 September 2025 will then be used to close-down the RTS signal and allow us to manage any unexpected customers impacted.

 

After a very successful pilot, from the 17th June 2024 we will begin writing to our Economy 10 RTS customers to invite them to call us to arrange for their meter exchange. 

 

We are continuing to work at pace to enable the same solution for the majority of our other RTS customers and our aim is to begin writing to these customers in Aug 2024. 

 

We will continue to update you on our progress.

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June 21, 2024

Thanks for the update @Emmanuelle_OVO 

Can you clarify what will RTS be replaced by - is it a similar system or is it being done away with entirely?

For example, after the RTS shutdown, will my new meter be reliant on mobile phone signal - or is there another RTS equivalent being rolled out?

And when you say you plan to offer “same solution for the majority of our other RTS customersdoes that include THTC customers?

Thanks.

Firedog
Super User
Super User
June 21, 2024

… will my new meter be reliant on mobile phone signal ...

 

Not as such, no. It depends on where you live: north of Manchester -ish, smart meters call home via long-range radio. Elsewhere, they use a dedicated network similar to mobile phone networks, so having a mast not too far away is good. There are other solutions - e.g. piggy-backing on a neighbour’s connection if he’s luckier than you. Read about smart meter communications in some detail here: Technical information on UK SMETS 2 Smart Meters 

 

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Blastoise186
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Super User
June 21, 2024

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And when you say you plan to offer “same solution for the majority of our other RTS customersdoes that include THTC customers?

Thanks.

Unfortunately, we’re not able to say just yet as we’re still gathering those details together. Once we get a 100% solid answer, we’ll be able to let you know.

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June 26, 2024

Unfortunately, we’re not able to say just yet as we’re still gathering those details together.” - Blastoise186 

I’m guessing that’s a “No” then?
Or another “Wait”?

I look forward to your “latest and greatest news regarding THTC of all time” announcement.

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
June 27, 2024

As we’ve said before, be patient as this stuff takes time. I cannot magic up certain things instantly unfortunately, as much as I want to that’s just not how it works.

The announcement has been 98% drafted in the Forum private spaces and is currently being reviewed. We’ll be able to tell you more once the approval is signed off.

Or if you became a Forum Volunteer, you can get access to that and much more before public release in future, without having to wait.

Just to give you some idea of expectations… My best and most powerful guides have historically taken up to a month to research, plan, draft, review and publish. I only started this one roughly a week or so ago.

This particular one will likely be one of the most powerful, impactful and critical posts I’ve EVER written on the Forum and it’s been mutually agreed backstage that I need to nail it first time. It’ll blow up the Forum once it’s out and we can’t afford silly mistakes.

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