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Updated on 14/11/24 by Abby_OVO

 

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RTS Shutdown Update July 2024

 

Hey! The name’s 186, Blastoise186 and I’m one of the Forum Volunteers who you’ve maybe seen helping around here. I’ve been working with OVO to get the most up to date information possible for you and they’ve passed over the following helpful updates and details.

One of the recent hot questions we’ve seen on the Forum (for a while now) is what’s happening to RTS meters. The RTS (Radio Teleswitch Service) is shutting down soon, which especially affects complex ones like THTC (Total Heat Total Control). I’ve covered this before in one of my older posts linked below – so check that out if you’re interested in why this is happening. That post already has many questions covered, so this one will focus purely on the next steps.

If you’re interested in what all the different meter types are/were - just ask below. Not sure if you’ve got RTS? No problem – give OVO a ring and they’ll be able to let you know. You can reach out to them here.

All caught up? Great, let’s get started on this latest update. This is the final piece of the puzzle - the hot off the press information about exactly what’s happening next.

I’d like to apologise for the extended delay in getting this out. While I can - and do - act independently of OVO, such critical content like this still has to be reviewed and approved before it can go live to make sure it’s as accurate as possible. 

So without further ado, the big question…

 

I’ve got an RTS Meter, what are my options for smart meters?

Good question – as you may know, these meters can be pretty complex, but OVO have spent a good amount of time updating their systems to manage this change for their customers.

I’m pleased to finally reveal what OVO’s plans are for everyone with an RTS Meter, whether it be Economy 7, Economy 10, THTC (Total Heat Total Control), Total Living Control, Standard Economy & Heating Load, Heatwise, Storage Heating Control, Flexiheat, Superdeal or basically any other RTS Meter.

The long story short version is exactly what many of you wanted to hear - OVO will be contacting all RTS customers to sort the change to a non RTS meter. Even better, since everything will run locally and be controlled by the meter itself, your heating and hot water will continue to work even if the signal to the meter temporarily drops out.

But what will you get?

If you’re ready to upgrade and your meter is listed below as upgradeable, check out smart-booking.ovoenergy.com

With another supplier? Please contact their customer service team for this as OVO can only upgrade meters belonging to OVO customers.

 

Affected OVO supported RTS Meters/Tariffs

If you AREN’T in a LMA (Load Managed Area*) - 

*A Load Managed Area is an area that's not as easy to maintain, like small islands or densely populated communities

 

Economy 7

Available now!

All customers with an Economy 7 (both RTS and Non-RTS) are eligible for smart meters. Everything else will stay the same - it’s just a straightforward meter swap in 99% of cases.

 

Economy 10

Available now!

OVO has just started to roll out Economy 10 support on smart meters. You should have already had a letter to arrange this change, if not, give OVO a call on 0330 303 5063.

 

All other RTS meters (THTC, Superdeal etc)

Coming Soon

Here are the 2 possible routes you could go down.

 

Coming Soon – Rollout with OVO starts around August 2024

Good news! In this situation, you can go for Economy 7, Economy 9, Economy 10 or a single rate meter - totally up to you. Your letter will invite you to call OVO’s specialist team who are on hand to discuss the set up within your property. They’ll help you come to a decision that best suits your lifestyle.

As part of the process, your THTC meters will be taken out and replaced with a shiny new smart meter (where possible) running on whichever tariff you picked.

 

If you ARE in a Load Managed Area

Coming soon! Waiting for an availability estimate

For this small group in Northern Scotland, I’m afraid you’ll have to remain on THTC at this time due to the DNO restrictions that are still in effect. However, you’re still going to get smart meters as promised - OVO are working on a solution for you and will post more information as soon as possible

 

RTS Meters/Tariffs from other suppliers

No details yet - feel free to help me build this out. If you’re with any other supplier and have info on what’s happening to your meter, feel free to post the details below and if it looks good, I’ll add it here - with full credit of course.

 

What if I don’t want a smart meter and/or refuse to have the upgrade?

If you don’t want the upgrade, then the RTS Service will eventually end regardless, and I’m really sorry, but I can’t guarantee what’ll happen to your heating and/or hot water, so I strongly recommend against taking that risk. These changes must happen and must happen soon.

All I can say is that many of these RTS Meters are getting older now, and while the designers did include fail-safes to cover RTS Service outages, these were only designed for short-term outages - not a total and permanent shutdown. Just as I can’t guarantee what’ll happen to your heating and hot water, OVO can’t guarantee how long the fail-safe will last for - or if it’ll even work at all on your specific meter.

Forum Volunteers on The OVO Forum may also be unable to provide advice and support for these meters post end-of-life to the same extent as we have previously, which means we’ll probably recommend you go direct to smart meters. We’ll still try to help out if we can - but our options would be limited.

 

If you have any further questions, please do leave a comment and one of the OVO moderators will chase this up for us.

@mrsparkles5481 Chances are the slots were opened up - but just got gobbled up rapidly by folks with fast fingers. It does happen!

More slots will open up ASAP.

I tried within minutes of the emails being sent ,as did many people I know in my local area,so find that hard to fathom. I will be making a complaint re the email comms as it is misleading customers in my mind.


You’re not the only ones trying to get slots though - folks across the entire country are.


You’re not the only ones trying to get slots though - folks across the entire country are.

Absolutely,but I still maintain OVO should NOT send emails out when it’s not true. So my complaint stands.


Hi @macman,

 

I can see our forum volunteer has already given some good advice here. Have you managed to get in touch with the Support team about this? Please let us know how you get on.

 

Hi @mrsparkles5481

You’re not the only ones trying to get slots though - folks across the entire country are.

Absolutely,but I still maintain OVO should NOT send emails out when it’s not true. So my complaint stands.

 

I’m really sorry to hear this.

 

It may be worth contacting the Support team about this again so they can check if there any available appointments at the moment. 

 

Here’s a link to our complaint procedure too:

 

https://www.ovoenergy.com/feedback

 

Let us know how you get on.


Just a quick note to say that I had my install done this morning.

All seemed to go OK, it’s just passed 13:30 and my storage heaters have started to charge up, which seems correct for E10 with the afternoon slot 13:30 - 16:30.

Guy said mine was a straightforward change, no complications.

Time to go and put a washing on !!

Hopefully I don’t need to come back and visit this thread to complain about anything in the future, but thought it was worth reassuring those waiting that things can go smoothly !


… I had my install done this morning. All seemed to go OK, it’s just passed 13:30 and my storage heaters have started to charge up, ...
    

 

That’s really good to hear - thanks for telling us! 

Please remember that it can take a few weeks for everything to settle down - things like billing, updates to the national database and other things that all take time - so don’t start panicking until mid-December. Keep an eye on your online account to see how things are progressing.
 


Sorry, forgot I did have one quick question. 
Do I need to submit the final readings from the 2 old THTC meters into my online account, or will the engineer have submitted them in some way ?


They tried to do ours a week ago but the guy said it was too complicated and would have to call in the experts. Our meters are in a box outside and the RTS and distribution are through the wall to the inside. I assume this was done yonks ago so that meters could be read without entering the house. 

Anyone else in Pitlochry had their meters changed this month? It’s supposed to be ‘when OVO are in our area’.


Do I need to submit the final readings from the 2 old THTC meters into my online account, or will the engineer have submitted them in some way ?
  

The engineer will have made a note of them and included them in his installation report. They will also appear on the Meter Exchange Label he should have left beside the new meter. If they don’t show up in your online account within a few days, call Support to check that they have them so that billing can proceed seamlessly.

>I wish I’d taken a photo of the MEX Label when I got my new meter last year - mice have eaten it!] 

 


Just a quick note to say that I had my install done this morning.

All seemed to go OK, it’s just passed 13:30 and my storage heaters have started to charge up, which seems correct for E10 with the afternoon slot 13:30 - 16:30.

Guy said mine was a straightforward change, no complications.

Time to go and put a washing on !!

Hopefully I don’t need to come back and visit this thread to complain about anything in the future, but thought it was worth reassuring those waiting that things can go smoothly !



 

That’s good to know.  I should be getting mine done this Monday.


… the guy said it was too complicated and would have to call in the experts.
  

For anyone reading this thread, it might be an idea when talking to Support about a forthcoming installation to upload a photo or two of the meters and their surroundings: close-ups of the meters, then ones showing the cables from the service head (where the main cable comes in through the wall or from underground) to the meters and from the meters to the consumer units (fuse boxes). This might avoid an unnecessary journey like the one Karen’s engineer made.


So my dad had his meter install yesterday. Before engineer arrived, I took the 2 meter readings and submitted them to his account, probably slightly less than actual final readings. 

Engineer arrived about 4.35Pm and was out of the house by 6.15PM, the first thing they do is make sure the new meter can connect to the mobile phone data network before starting install - eng said if meter does not connect they are not allowed to install. 

The engineer explained to me system works like before - there are still 2 separate circuits - off peak and peak same as THTC, and that both though are now available 24/7 - and that all economy 10 settings are programmed in the smart meter. So will watch interestingly when heaters are coming on to charge. 

I never got a chance to look at it last night, but in home display looks very good. Although my dad might just put it in a drawer. 

I will be back in today, and take some photos, I have photos pre-change. When I get meter serial number - will see if I can register it on loop energy app to see if I can monitor from there. 


thelearner - I hadn’t heard of the loop energy app. I installed it and it found my new meter that was installed yesterday. Unfortunately it can’t give accurate cost figures, as it doesn’t work with Economy 10 tariffs. It does show usage, but just the total, not the split between peak and off-peak.
It might still be useful for you though to see overall usage


… make sure the new meter can connect to the mobile phone data network before starting install - 

- there are still 2 separate circuits - off peak and peak same as THTC, and that both though are now available 24/7 - and that all economy 10 settings are programmed in the smart meter.

 

This old pedant has a couple of comments:

In NE Scotland, meters connect to the smart meter Wide Area Network (WAN) over Long-Range Radio, not (yet) any mobile phone network. 

There are two separate circuits, but it’s not helpful to refer to them as peak and offpeak. The main circuit is always live, often called constant. The other is only live during the offpeak hours, turned on and off by a time switch inside the meter. This circuit is often called switched. If you look at the meter, the engineer may have marked the new cables (“tails”) to identify them*; my live tails are marked LC and LS so I can see which one feeds the constant circuit and which the switched circuit.

The switched circuit will power heating equipment, particularly storage heaters and water heaters. You may find that this equipment is also connected to the constant circuit; this allows for (a) local controls on some sorts of storage heater and (b) boost functions to deliver power (at peak rates) out of offpeak hours if necessary.

It’s important to check that the switched circuit is only live during the offpeak hours as dictated by the Economy 10 plan. 
    


Once upon a time, the live wires were red and neutral ones black. This all changed twenty years ago to brown (line) and blue (neutral). Some time after that, it was decided that this sort of cable should have a uniform grey sheath. Nowadays, to find out which cable will kill you if you drill through it, you have to strip the sheath off to see what colour it is underneath. 
  


 

Once upon a time, the live wires were red and neutral ones black. This all changed twenty years ago to brown (line) and blue (neutral). Some time after that, it was decided that this sort of cable should have a uniform grey sheath. Nowadays, to find out which cable will kill you if you drill through it, you have to strip the sheath off to see what colour it is underneath. 
  

For what it’s worth, there are 2 layers of insulation on these modern cables with different colours .. the theory being that you can see a break in the outer insulation before exposing the bare metal. 


Engineer arrived this morning, fine chap, first thing he did was put shoe covers on.  THTC system (in Caithness) quickly replaced with Smart Meter on Economy 10.  I switched the storage heaters on and waited for 1.30pm, the start of the ‘economy’ period and a couple of minutes later the red light came on to confirm charging.   Great stuff, happy camper...


Engineer arrived this morning, fine chap, first thing he did was put shoe covers on.  THTC system (in Caithness) quickly replaced with Smart Meter on Economy 10.  I switched the storage heaters on and waited for 1.30pm, the start of the ‘economy’ period and a couple of minutes later the red light came on to confirm charging.   Great stuff, happy camper...


 

Good to hear.  My turn on Monday.  Hope it’s as successful.  Do you also have an immersion heater?  Presumably it will also come on at these times?


I’ve got an immersion which is on the same circuit as the storage heaters, so would have come on for the 10 hours of Economy 10.
I know there’s a thermostat, so it’s not actually on for all 10 hours, but a year or so ago, I fitted a timer switch, and have found that for my needs it only needs to be on for an hour a day. Your usage and level of insulation on the tank may vary from mine.
In the summer when the storage heaters are off, then I could see the actual usage of just the immersion, and changing it to 1 hour a day I’m saving about 1 unit per day - so took about 6 months for the savings to cover the cost of the timer switch, and now saving about £80 per year


Hi Mo59.  I’m the same as ManseRunner - water on same circuit as the heaters.


… the guy said it was too complicated and would have to call in the experts.
  

For anyone reading this thread, it might be an idea when talking to Support about a forthcoming installation to upload a photo or two of the meters and their surroundings: close-ups of the meters, then ones showing the cables from the service head (where the main cable comes in through the wall or from underground) to the meters and from the meters to the consumer units (fuse boxes). This might avoid an unnecessary journey like the one Karen’s engineer made.

Well maybe since you are reading this you could inform the folks that call to arrange the appointments to ask for photos if necessary. I would gladly have provided photos in advance. They asked many questions about needing ladders etc but at no point did they ask if everything was in the same place. I could easily have told them meters outside and distribution directly through the wall. I assumed this was not something ‘unusual’. Unnecessary journey for the engineer also = unnecessary stay at home all morning for me! 


... you could inform the folks that call to arrange the appointments to ask for photos if necessary.
 

Have a look at my signature - I don’t have any back door access to the support staff. My time in these forums has taught me that it’s much easier to help customers if we can see their equipment, so photos are always welcome whenever there’s a question about meters. Even if they only show an ordinary arrangement, that at least rules out many of the pitfalls that an extraordinary one might lead us to suspect.

Don’t shoot the messenger! 


... you could inform the folks that call to arrange the appointments to ask for photos if necessary.
 

Have a look at my signature - I don’t have any back door access to the support staff. My time in these forums has taught me that it’s much easier to help customers if we can see their equipment, so photos are always welcome whenever there’s a question about meters. Even if they only show an ordinary arrangement, that at least rules out many of the pitfalls that an extraordinary one might lead us to suspect.

Don’t shoot the messenger! 

Sorry only self defence since it felt like you implied I wasted the Engineer’s time when I only followed ovo procedure. If the support staff have any sense they will follow this forum and learn from it how to avoid ‘unnecessary journeys’. I also wanted to see how folks in my area got on with the meter change.


… you implied I wasted the Engineer’s time …
  

I’m really sorry if you got that impression - of course there’s no blame on your part at all, and absolutely no intention on my part to suggest that there was 🙇‍♂️
 


Just something to keep an eye on. Thanks to the intervention of the support team on this forum I got my installation resolved with E10 switching the second circuit correctly and changing price.

However since then my meter has decided to change back to a standard tariff at all time, the second is still switching at E10 times so I’m not sure how long it’s been doing this for.

I’ve got this resolved yet but keep an eye on your meter folks.


Hi @ByeeTHTC,

 

Happy to hear you managed to get this resolved. Thanks for bringing this up, this might be helpful for others in the same situation.

 

 


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