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Why have Standing Charges also increased so much with the Energy Crisis?

  • October 4, 2022
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Ovo increased their electricity standing charge massively in April. I have asked them to itemise what the Standing Charge covers and then justify the increase - they are refusing to do this.

The Standing Charge should relate to the actual cost that Ovo has delivering electricity to your home. Those costs did not substantially increase in April.

Wholesale gas price rises meant that the unit cost of electricity went up but that should not have affected the Standing Charge.

Ovo have just taken the maximum that Ofgem allow the Standing Charge to be decided to charge it.

You can try to avoid unit costs by cutting back on usage, but you cannot avoid the Standing Charge.

Customers need to band together and get them to justify the increase.

Best answer by Jeffus

Updated on 15/01/25 by Abby_OVO

If suppliers charge less for the standing charge than the maximum allowed, they can then charge more for the units supplied.  Such a move would favour lower than average users of energy and penalise larger users.

 

But since energy SUPPLY companies all claim to be losing money at the moment, they will set their charges to maximise income to ensure losses are as small as possible.  Remember 20+ companies went bust last year - is that what you want?

 

I think you are on a loser with this notion.

The wholesale cost of gas increased resulting in the cost of electricity generation increasing, it did not affect the cost of delivering electricity to the home which is what the Standing Charge is supposed to be for.

I expect the unit cost of electricity to rise substantially but not the Standing Charge. I can avoid the unit costs by cutting back on usage but I cannot avoid the Standing Charge.

You have your argument back to front. Raising the Standing Charge penalises small users of electricity who are subsidising larger users through inflated Standing Charges.

 

 

Unfortunately the standing charge has increased for many reasons. 

 

1. The cost of all the failed suppliers apart from Bulb has been loaded on the standing charge and front loaded rather than being spread over a very long time as some energy companies suggested. There will be more of these costs still to come unfortunately and the government could yet decide to load all the costs of Bulb onto standing charges, many billions of pounds.

2. The number of people eligible for the warm home discount has increased. These are funded via the standing charge currently. 

3. Ofgem moved some of the network related costs from the unit rate to standing charges. At the same time network related costs have increased as inflation has risen, both material costs and wages have gone up. We have all seen what has happened to inflation generally. Also we need  upgrade the infrastructure as we move to renewable energy, heat pumps and electric cars, hence again the standing charge is increasing. There have been recent changes where new generation capacity is not required to contribute to the upgrade costs, this again will transfer costs from the unit rate to standing charges. 

These are just some examples, there are others i could give. 

The majority of standing charge has nothing to do with OVO, they are simply passing on costs from others and government schemes. 

Unfortunately there is no good news about the level of standing charge unless the government decide to shift costs to general taxation or to the unit rate which would benefit low energy users. While inflation is high, standing charges will continue to be under pressure unfortunately.

There did use to be tariff with low or no standing charge, but higher unit rates but these have long gone. For a short while there were even tariff with a fixed monthly cost irrespective of how much you used. My mum was on one of these tariff, these tariffs didn't last long for obvious reasons…

Personally i would prefer to see lower standing charges and some of the cost shifted to unit rates to benefit low energy users, but some people would be worse off obviously. 

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Blastoise186
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Super User
July 31, 2024

Long story short, re-nationalising absolutely everything probably isn’t the solution either. The public sector is already stretched to the limit and it really doesn’t need even more pressure right now.

At least the current system permits choice!

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jmshrrsn
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July 31, 2024

Long story short, re-nationalising absolutely everything probably isn’t the solution either. The public sector is already stretched to the limit and it really doesn’t need even more pressure right now.

At least the current system permits choice!

But what choice? It’s more of a lottery: which energy company will fail next?

The public services pressure you talk about is of our own making. If we stopped setting up public services to fail, they might actually work (or stopped running them down in preparation for a fire sale). 

As for the private energy sector: why do we award contracts to people with no experience running utility companies?

Other countries however seem to make it work — look at those state owned companies and global corporations that are now selling their train services, water and energy to us?

Why aren’t we a major player in the French energy industry (EDF, French government), or running lucrative train services in Germany (Deutsche Bahn, German government), or providing water and sewerage systems in Malaysia (YTL Corporation)?

I thought we were the major global player?!
 

JH Devizes
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October 1, 2024

We have already been paying a charge for increased costs of electricity due to Russia/Ukraine conflict (which did not affect renewable production - Yes, I know that electricity unit rates reflect overall costs!) 

Blastoise186
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October 1, 2024

IIRC It’s only higher for those who bundle it into the tariff itself. If you choose to have it as a separate Add-On, the Standing Charge is unaffected.

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Rank 5
October 1, 2024

indeed.  This is all historic and you can blame utterly useless (thick) MP’s of all parties for this.  The price of electric is linked to the price of gas so even though sometimes we’re generating around 50% of electric by renewable’s we’re still effectively paying the cost of generation as if it was by gas ;o( And whilst we’re on the subject why do we pay a green levy on Electric when, as above, sometimes 50% is generated by green sources where as we pay NO green levy on Gas when hardly any gas is green!  the whole lot needs to be sorted out!  Unfortunately this shambolic government are just as  useless as the last shower.  

Rank 6
October 1, 2024

It's easy to blame the government but if you look into this in detail it is insanely complex and changes that would appear on the face of it to be obvious have all sorts of unexpected consequences. The current system is bad and needs changing but it may turn out the be better than all the alternatives.

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Rank 5
October 1, 2024

they manage ok in other countries.  I wouldn’t defend the halfwits.  We pay more for electric than nearly anywhere else in the world.  World beating energy bills!

Peter E
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October 1, 2024

Purely to add more context for energy price rises, although the Russia/Ukraine war resulted in a reduction in the availability of gas, a gas shortage was already going to be an issue in 2020. Asian companies were fast ramping up their energy use and there was going to be a shortfall in LNG supplies in 2020 anyway except that Covid put a big damper on that and it delayed the inevitable shortage until 2022 which is why prices went totally crazy that year. Had we not had Covid rises would have been steadier and not peaked so high but energy costs would have ended up roughly where they are today anyway.

 

We think that we are living in an era of high energy prices when in fact, pre-2020, we were living at a time of exceptionally low energy prices and we just got used to that. From that perspective it therefore makes sense that none of the analysts think energy prices are going to drop significantly in the next decade. The only possible exception is going to be oil because of a gradual worldwide increase in renewable energy production but that effect is currently small but increasing.

 

Peter

 

Reducing my yearly fossil fuel usage with an EV (-900 litres petrol), A2AHP (-8,700 kWh gas) and Timed Immersion heater (-1,500 kWh gas)
Rank 5
October 1, 2024

and unfortunately due to 14 years of the last set of halfwits we had more of a reliance on Gas than just about anywhere else, as they didn’t want to upset their mainly old vote demographic who tend to be climate change deniers and utter nimbys 

Peter E
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October 1, 2024

@fancyabrew I’d rather not bring politics in to this because it isn’t necessary but up to 2010 we had a very high reliance on coal and oil and it was only since 2012 that we started reducing these and have now totally removed them from our generation stack. If your memory goes back to the 1990s we were called the ‘Dirty man of Europe’ because the sulfur (used to be spelled sulphur) that came out of our coal burning power stations were killing the forests in northern and eastern Europe.

 

Peter

 

Reducing my yearly fossil fuel usage with an EV (-900 litres petrol), A2AHP (-8,700 kWh gas) and Timed Immersion heater (-1,500 kWh gas)