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M.isterW
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January 25, 2022

Should I invest in solar PV panels, a home energy storage battery... or both?

  • January 25, 2022
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I've been considering getting solar PV installed but I'm now wondering if the money would be better spent on batteries. I want to reduce carbon and also save money. We use between 30 and 50 kWh per day in winter (depending on the weather and if we charge the car). This will reduce in summer but our water heating is still electric.

 

Solar PV - our roof isn't ideal for panels. We're in the South East and might manage to fit 3.5kW facing ESE. There is some shading so we will have the extra cost of optimised panels.

 

Batteries - if we just had a battery we could charge at low rates and use the electricity during the day. A simple setup would use a tariff such as Octopus Go to charge at a fixed time overnight. A more sophisticated setup would link to Octopus Agile to decide the best time to charge.

 

I should add that we currently have a time shifting heating system as part of a trial. This charges heat batteries during low demand periods. The system has some problems so it's possible that we'll reconfigure it at the end of the trial and remove the heat batteries.

 

Should we fit both solar PV and a battery or forget the solar and buy a bigger battery? Or something else?

 

Your ideas and suggestions please ☺️

29 replies

Rank 7
January 26, 2022

@Jeffus loop looks impressive but expectations may need to be tempered because in reality production is very lumpy and may not match the generic power calculations.

Two successive days in July ie mid summer show very different stories.

 

 

Our 5th January had heavy cloud with the sun suddenly breaking through in the morning. 

 

Our 6th January had almost nothing generated. 

 

3.99kW solar 2015, 12kWh batteries 2022, Tado.
Tim_OVO
OVO Staff
OVO Forum Legend
January 26, 2022

Good thread this one, I feel like storage+solar needs more consideration though... @Transparent @dnshorto @malc_smith @Graham110011 @Sean T @JoeC @f0rtune and @osborner have this green tech combo. Would any of you ever recommend one without the other? 

 

a segway to this thread, is the heat pump tariff you are trialling going to be trialled with those on the heat pump trial? I’m happy to look at it. 

 

We’re running (or we’re about to start) a trial in the Manchester area involving compatible heat pumps with a type of use tariff. Please note that for any future trial or proposition, your heat pump will need to be IoT enabled. Robin Abraham referenced this in our last online event, the transcript of which we hope to publish in the coming weeks.

 

We don’t have much information about this trial yet, @hydrosam but I’ll make sure to share anything with you when I see it!    

Carbon neutral - we need a community to get there! My green tech: Aclara SGM 1411-B smart meter, Chameleon IHD6
Rank 4
January 26, 2022

 

 

a segway to this thread, is the heat pump tariff you are trialling going to be trialled with those on the heat pump trial? I’m happy to look at it. 

 

We’re running (or we’re about to start) a trial in the Manchester area involving compatible heat pumps with a type of use tariff. Please note that for any future trial or proposition, your heat pump will need to be IoT enabled. Robin Abraham referenced this in our last online event, the transcript of which we hope to publish in the coming weeks.

 

We don’t have much information about this trial yet, @hydrosam but I’ll make sure to share anything with you when I see it!    

It’s a shame the heat pumps installed last year under our trial weren’t IoT enabled, seems like another trick missed there. 

15kwh grid-tied battery, ASHP Daikin 11kw R410 mono + 300l Cylinder. 3.3kw Solar PV. Kia e-Niro EV
Jeffus
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January 26, 2022

Has OVO published a list of compatible IoT heat pump configurations/equipment ?

Or is this a specific piece of equipment that OVO will provide or sell?

@Tim_OVO 

juliamc
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January 26, 2022

What does IoT mean please ?

M.isterW
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M.isterWAuthor
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January 26, 2022

IoT - Internet of Things. It's connecting stuff that isn't a "computer" to other things via the internet. Think of internet connected fridges that order more cheese when you've eaten it all.

 

Or a heat pump that feeds data to your electricity provider.

1992 4 bed detached house. Solar PV + battery, Zappi EV charger, Mitsubishi Ecodan ASHP and i-life2 fan assisted radiators.... No gas 😊
Newcomer
February 1, 2022

Keep in mind that you also need an extra inverter to charge the battery. There are some batteries that have their own inverter integrated, but you might be better off buying several modular batteries (how many depends on how much storage capacity you need) and a single charger. In most cases, this is the cheaper option. Also, having one inverter for each battery means more devices that are prone to failure.

k1ms
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June 22, 2022

Hi I have just had Tesla storage battery fitted.. How it work you have 13.5 kWh battery. You can charge from solar or the grid. Grid charging can be set to charge at cheap times. If you have power cut battery still run house. You can fit up to 10 batteries 135kwh.  The only problem is cost my single powerwall 2 cost £9800 to fit.

Kim
BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
November 17, 2022

Another thread find and I feel the option of another debrief to be penned. 
We have had solar PV since 2009 which paid back in 9 years (without counting lower energy costs). Last year we added battery storage and I’ve been experimenting with various uses to maximise the benefit and also test the reduction of peak time use. 
It works well, once you’ve got over a few niggles as there are very few people who seem to be fully conversant with an install, setup and operational control, coupled with the difference with active, reactive power and flows into and out of the grid as needed. We’re also looking into an input from a community wind farm to add another feed - although once in place I might have to move to a wind farm partner supply. 

Bring me Sunshine ~ E&E {Solar PV, Battery Storage, Hybrid EV, ASHP and Home Assistant automation}
M.isterW
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November 17, 2022

I forgot I'd started this thread.

 

We now have solar PV and a battery, and I'm very pleased with our choices so far.

We have 5.2kW of panels split east/west. They give a good spread of generation during the day and I'm expecting that to improve a lot during the summer as we should get electricity produced well into the evenings. They run into a hybrid inverter which also connects to a 6.5kWh battery. I pondered over the size of battery for some time because they're expensive and there's a point at which the cost can't be justified. So far the battery capacity seems okay. Even in the sunny days at the end of September the battery allowed us to use almost 100% of our generated electricity, although that will change in the summer.

 

Having seen how much other people have been paying for solar panels recently, our system was a complete bargain. The solar PV market has gone crazy with high demand and rising prices. It's made it a lot harder to recommend them to friends and family.

1992 4 bed detached house. Solar PV + battery, Zappi EV charger, Mitsubishi Ecodan ASHP and i-life2 fan assisted radiators.... No gas 😊