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M.isterW
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January 25, 2022

Should I invest in solar PV panels, a home energy storage battery... or both?

  • January 25, 2022
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I've been considering getting solar PV installed but I'm now wondering if the money would be better spent on batteries. I want to reduce carbon and also save money. We use between 30 and 50 kWh per day in winter (depending on the weather and if we charge the car). This will reduce in summer but our water heating is still electric.

 

Solar PV - our roof isn't ideal for panels. We're in the South East and might manage to fit 3.5kW facing ESE. There is some shading so we will have the extra cost of optimised panels.

 

Batteries - if we just had a battery we could charge at low rates and use the electricity during the day. A simple setup would use a tariff such as Octopus Go to charge at a fixed time overnight. A more sophisticated setup would link to Octopus Agile to decide the best time to charge.

 

I should add that we currently have a time shifting heating system as part of a trial. This charges heat batteries during low demand periods. The system has some problems so it's possible that we'll reconfigure it at the end of the trial and remove the heat batteries.

 

Should we fit both solar PV and a battery or forget the solar and buy a bigger battery? Or something else?

 

Your ideas and suggestions please ☺️

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BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
November 17, 2022

As we were ‘fitting’ into the FIT scheme at the time, our arrays are 3.75kw split east and west which actually gives a good spread through the day. It is a Enfinity system but I didn’t have a remote monitor at the time. 
We added 4 modular batteries with a separate (add on) inverter (LuxPower) giving 9.6kw of storage but expandable. 
There were several problems with the battery installation as the clamps were chopped and reconnected against the manufacturers advice. This gave interference until I remade the connections which shows in bad feedback to the controller (now sorted) making the connection sum jittery. 
My latest discovery is to restrict the switching at low battery levels otherwise there is more chance of feeding back to the grid as power switches on/off in the house. 
All very interesting and useful!

Bring me Sunshine ~ E&E {Solar PV, Battery Storage, Hybrid EV, ASHP and Home Assistant automation}
juliamc
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November 17, 2022

What do you think about vertically mounted panels ? We have an unshaded south west facing gable end which gets the full force of the winter sun. It seems a shame not to use it. Our south east facing roof would be the main site for panels but the north west side is unsuitable.

M.isterW
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November 17, 2022

Panels perform best when they're perpendicular to the sunlight. The further away from that you are the less they produce. Our roof isn't very steep so production is good in summer, when the sun is high, but drops off a lot in winter when the sun is low. A steeper roof would be worse in summer but better in winter.

 

If you have vertical panels they're never perpendicular to the sunlight so you'll never get maximum output. But they could do quite well in winter with a low sun.

1992 4 bed detached house. Solar PV + battery, Zappi EV charger, Mitsubishi Ecodan ASHP and i-life2 fan assisted radiators.... No gas 😊
juliamc
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November 17, 2022

Winter is the time we’d need more output for the heat pump - sounds like it’s worth considering.

BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
November 17, 2022

You could mount the panels on angled brackets @juliamc if there’s enough room - that might help

Bring me Sunshine ~ E&E {Solar PV, Battery Storage, Hybrid EV, ASHP and Home Assistant automation}
k1ms
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Newcomer
November 17, 2022

I think the name of game is to use solar to charge battery with over night imports form grid if needed. Was with Ovo's EV everywhere but have switched to 4 hours at £0.075 kWh. You do need a large battery for winter when low solar. The round trip with Tesla battery is 10% loss. 

Kim
BPLightlog
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Super User
November 19, 2022

Incidentally @M.isterW over the time we’ve had our system, I would now say that solar PV pays back quicker and more effectively than battery storage although the option to charge off peak is obviously a game changer with battery added. 
I think I saw earlier or on another thread something about the losses or efficiency of converting solar to battery and then use which is why I’d recommend solar before battery. 
It’s also why I still hesitate to move my peak use without an off peak incentive although I will look very carefully once our current contract ends

Bring me Sunshine ~ E&E {Solar PV, Battery Storage, Hybrid EV, ASHP and Home Assistant automation}
juliamc
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November 19, 2022

I’ve been pondering this question - with a heat pump the winter electricity use goes up hugely just when the solar output would be at its worst. But charging a battery during off peak times relies on the tariffs being available. If the battery didn’t last the whole day then peak time costs could be astronomical. Probably the best thing to spend on would be more insulation.

BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
November 19, 2022

I’ve been pondering this question - with a heat pump the winter electricity use goes up hugely just when the solar output would be at its worst. But charging a battery during off peak times relies on the tariffs being available. If the battery didn’t last the whole day then peak time costs could be astronomical. Probably the best thing to spend on would be more insulation.

Agreed - insulation (cavity wall, loft etc), draft proofing is key. You can get battery storage to last a whole day but what isn’t said a lot is the peak output level that you can get - do it’s important to factor that in as well otherwise you might still use power at peak times. 

Bring me Sunshine ~ E&E {Solar PV, Battery Storage, Hybrid EV, ASHP and Home Assistant automation}