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Updated on 14/06/24 by Shads_OVO

 

Update on RTS shutdown:

 

As part of the RTS Project development, we are really happy to share with you our progress:

 

As you may be aware, the RTS signal that instructs some of our meters when to move to the “Off Peak Period”  will be closing down soon and we need to arrange for all of our RTS customers to have a meter exchange so they don’t lose any of their meter functionality.

 

The RTS signal will end for our customers on 30 June 2025. The period between 1 July - 30 September 2025 will then be used to close-down the RTS signal and allow us to manage any unexpected customers impacted.

 

After a very successful pilot, from the 17th June 2024 we will begin writing to our Economy 10 RTS customers to invite them to call us to arrange for their meter exchange. 

 

We are continuing to work at pace to enable the same solution for the majority of our other RTS customers and our aim is to begin writing to these customers in Aug 2024. 

 

We will continue to update you on our progress.

 

The sun is setting on Radio-Teleswitched (RTS) meters

 

UPDATE: July 2024 from Blastoise186

We have now released a new Forum Guide with the latest updates. Please feel free to read the rest of this thread first to know the full story, then head over to the thread linked below for the latest news.

The original guide continues below.

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As you may know, some big changes are coming which affect old electric meters that use Radio Teleswitches. Here’s some helpful FAQs about what’s happening.

 

What is the Radio Teleswitch System?

 

The Radio Teleswitch System (or RTS for short) is a system that was created to help with the control and management of electricity meters that had special tariffs such as Economy 7 prior to the existence of smart meters. It has a few features that are seen in smart meters today, such as remotely switching between Day or Night rates and automatically turning heating/hot water on or off, but doesn’t have the ability to collect meter readings.

 

As a fun fact: The same signals and frequencies also get used for the BBC Radio 4 longwave service, and the three transmitters have enough power to blast the signals across the entire country at once.

 

What is a Radio Teleswitch Meter?

 

These are legacy meter types that may be known as Radio Teleswitch Meters (RTS Meter) or Dynamically Teleswitched Meter (DTS Meter), however they both work in a similar way. Alongside the electricity meter itself, a Radio Teleswitch device would also be installed and it’s this device which picks up the RTS signals and controls the time switching features on the meter.

 

So are they smart meters?

 

Well… Sort of… But not quite. The signal was only ever one-way and had no way for meters to send any kind of replies, while current smart meters can do two-way links. But you could say that they were a really early form of smart meter! :wink:

Many RTS Meters could be updated with a single message, such as making changes to every time switch in a particular area all in one go. Smart Meters can only be updated individually and will ignore random broadcasts that don’t specifically target the meter directly, making them more secure.

 

What are DTS/RTS Meters used for and why would I have one?

 

These meters were mainly used for special tariffs such as Economy 7/Economy 10, HeatWise, WarmWise, Total Heat Total Control and Weathercall. Officially speaking, the tag line for them was “Using Radio transmissions to control tariffs and loads economically and reliably.” The purpose was to allow entire groups of meters to be switched in one go based on the appropriate tariffs. It also had the ability to be used for certain emergency scenarios as well. They were not used for single-rate tariffs.

 

What kind of tariffs were these meters installed for?

 

OVO has never offered or supported any legacy RTS/DTS Tariffs, but other suppliers have done so in the past. A full list is hard to locate, but here’s a few examples of known tariffs:

  • Economy 7 (only if it’s a load controlled plan where an RTS Meter is installed)
  • Economy 10 (only if it’s a load controlled plan where an RTS Meter is installed)
  • Total Heat Total Control
  • Weathercall
  • HeatWise
  • WarmWise
  • Storage Heat Control
  • White Meter
  • Superdeal
  • Flexiheat
  • Comfort Plus
  • Comfort Plus Control
  • Twin Heat

 

These tariffs sound like good deals, so why doesn’t OVO offer them?

 

Well… Here’s the thing… They’re all legacy tariffs and RTS/DTS Meters are all legacy meter types which are no longer installed. On top of that, the RTS service is actually shutting down by the end of December 2023 and this would make it impossible to provide such tariffs without smart meters being used. Most of them are also not exactly great value for money either…

 

It’s also worth noting that almost all such tariffs are closed to new customers (except the standard non-teleswitched Economy 7 which is definitely not going away!) and the suppliers which previously installed RTS/DTS Meters are ending support for them soon anyway.

 

These meters are also on life support at this point, since the BBC has been trying to shutdown the BBC Radio 4 Longwave service since 2014!

 

I’ve got an RTS/DTS Meter at the moment and it’s working fine. So what’s the problem?

 

All of these meters are legacy types which are no longer installed by any supplier today. The shutdown of the RTS service would mean that the teleswitching features would completely stop working, which could in theory leave your electricity meter jammed on the last rate it was on before the signal died, prevent your heating/hot water from turning on properly or leave the heating/hot water jammed on 24/7. OVO’s Resident Smart Meter Expert (and that’s not me!) is working with the industry and Government to figure out a safe migration plan and keep the RTS Service running until all customers can be migrated off it. The signal will be turned off eventually, but only after alternative solutions have been implemented to ensure that your heating and hot water continue to work properly.

 

In addition, many of these legacy meters are reaching end of life and the certifications are about to expire due to age. When this happens, suppliers are required to replace the meter as part of the terms of their licenses. There are still stocks of RTS Meters in the inventory that OVO and other suppliers have access to - but these stocks are reserved for existing installs only and will not be used for new installs. These stocks are intended to be used to help with maintenance of existing setups, such as replacing faulty RTS Meters. 

 

But I don’t want a smart meter and I’ve already made it clear that I wanted to opt-out! Can I have a non-smart meter instead? And why is my supplier not respecting my request?

 

Due to the rules that suppliers have to follow, suppliers are only allowed to “override and bypass” a smart meter refusal in specific circumstances. They cannot bypass just because they want to try and meet targets or boost their stats. However, attempting to force an upgrade due to a meter fault, for safety reasons, end of life meters, expired certifications or for accuracy reasons are considered valid cases to bypass opt-outs.

 

OVO has stated however, that they will not force a Smart Meter upgrade on a member who doesn’t want one. I’ve had confirmation that OVO is working with both the Citizens Advice Bureau and the Energy Ombudsman to help with discussing any concerns with members who decline an upgrade to see if there’s anything that can be done to resolve such concerns. They’re willing to discuss these with you for as long as you wish and you won’t be forced to make any decisions if you’re not ready.

 

I’m no longer with the supplier that originally gave me the meter and I don’t have that kind of tariff anymore. What can I do?

 

The good news is that your current supplier will be happy to sort you out and they’ll be in touch at some point. Parts of OVO Group did offer legacy tariffs or meters that relied on RTS/DTS, other suppliers did so back in the day. All suppliers have a duty of care to help customers migrate over to smart meters, and this includes OVO. Your current supplier will know if you’re affected and they’ll be best placed to assist.

 

What will happen if I don’t get my meter replaced/upgraded?

 

Impending doom is sure to follow and there’ll be no way to escape your fate! And you really don’t want to be trapped in a temple of doom with a 500 stone boulder chasing after you…

 

What will actually happen is that your meter will stop working properly and it may mess up your bills pretty badly. If your heating and hot water are also controlled via RTS, it’s very likely that your house will turn into The North Pole or Sahara Desert… Not sure which one I’d prefer myself to be honest…

 

OVO have advised that they’re working incredibly hard to make sure the RTS closure is only done when all customers impacted can get a suitable solution. So this is worst case scenario if nothing was done and OVO were negligent.. something they have no plans to be.

 

Hold up! I’ve got Economy 7 and I’m with OVO?! What do I do?

 

Firstly, please don’t panic, OVO has considered this possibility. Economy 7 tariffs are fully supported by all suppliers which provide them, including OVO and there’s no plans to change that. If you’ve got a smart meter in Economy 7 mode, you’re good to go and the RTS shutdown won’t affect you.

 

However, if you are on Economy 7 or Economy 10 with any supplier and don’t have a smart meter, now might be a good time to consider getting a meter upgrade.

 

I’ve got one of these legacy meters, but I moved to a single-rate tariff. Does this still affect me?

 

Kind of. The good news is that it won’t hit you as hard, but you would still be affected to a degree. I’d recommend upgrading to a smart meter anyway to make sure your current meter doesn’t come back to haunt you later. Given that the meter is probably reaching end of life anyway and the certification is probably going to expire soon, my advice would be to say that you are affected.

 

As a bonus, replacing your meter might even let you get rid of that second MPAN (Meter Point Administration Number) if your RTS setup currently has one.

 

What will happen to my tariff?

 

Good question! Your tariff will be set free into the wild where it can relax and enjoy the luxury of retirement, safely looked after by the best hospitality in the jungle… Meanwhile, a Dungeoneer will cast some magic that summons a much younger and more modern tariff to take its place, just for you.

 

Spellcasting! R E F R E S H

 

Or I wish I could say that! The exact answer will depend on your circumstances - OVO have advised that this totally depends on the RTS arrangement in place and where in the UK you may be... I hear there are challenges being faced with replacing RTS meters that are being worked upon.  So I strongly recommend talking to your supplier about your options, or consider switching to a new supplier - you can sometimes get better deals by switching anyway.

 

Just a heads up though. Once you switch away from a legacy tariff, you won’t be able to get it back. Please make sure to choose your options carefully. Or as Treguard used to say…

The only way is onwards… There is no turning back.

 

 

I’ve got another question that’s not covered? I’m still confused and need more help! Where can I go?

 

Right here! These forums are the perfect place for getting help and advice like this, and we’d be more than happy to help you out. Feel free to create a new topic on the forums or reply to an existing one that’s similar and we’ll swoop into action.

There’s really no such thing as a dumb smart meter; it’s only an ordinary smart meter that’s dumb because it can’t talk. If you’re already on an Economy 7 tariff, the installing engineer should know that and make sure he has the right sort of meter with him. 

If you manage to find suitable mesh partners, it’s just the communications hub (usually on top of the meter itself) that has to be changed.


Thank you. That’s good to know. I’ll get back to OVO to try to sort this out.


Keep us posted with how you get on @APHM 🙂


One great advantage of forums like this is that someone somewhere has probably had the same question as you and - with any luck - found an answer. I remembered after making my last post that we’d had a question from another customer in a similar situation not long ago. We can sometimes capitalize on this sort of ‘corporate history’, so let’s try.

First, I’m going to tag @John-in-Cornwall here just in case he found a solution to his WAN problem and is willing to share it with you (and us!). I’ll also ask whether he has any update to share in his own thread. 

Second, if that doesn’t work, you should have the ability to contact him direct through the forum’s private messaging system. 

Here’s hoping 🙂

 


Thread readers may be interested to learn that the RTS shutdown date has now been extended to March 2025, according to the ENA:

Radio teleswitch – Energy Networks Association (ENA)

Suppliers will have to increase their rate of RTS meter replacement by around an order of magnitude (there were over 930,000 RTS meters live just three months ago - Metering data from the Trading Operations Report - Elexon BSC and the current rate of replacement is about 10,000 per month) to meet the new deadline.


This is really disappointing but as expected. We are stuck with THTC meters and OVO charging whatever they want for ANOTHER year.  


Thread readers may be interested to learn that the RTS shutdown date has now been extended to March 2025, according to the ENA:

Radio teleswitch – Energy Networks Association (ENA)

Suppliers will have to increase their rate of RTS meter replacement by around an order of magnitude (there were over 930,000 RTS meters live just three months ago - Metering data from the Trading Operations Report - Elexon BSC and the current rate of replacement is about 10,000 per month) to meet the new deadline.

Ofgem are reporting a big difference between suppliers as well, some have replaced over 75% of their RTS meters , other suppliers less than 10%

Am not sure where ovo sits between those percentages

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications/open-letter-smart-meter-installations-prepayment-and-radio-teleswitch-customers

It is difficult to see how there will be a step change in installations, especially given ovo were fined due to the lack of their smart meter installations generally.

A big step up is needed.


I have an ecconomy10 digital new type meter does this mean it will still work when the radio waves are shut down nxt year? 

I need ecconomy10 to continue or ill freeze as my electric heaters are convector heaters that i have on timers for my eccon10 times 

Eccon7 is of no use to me as i cant be up all night to stay warm 

I also use my high usage electrical items during the eccon10 times cooker/washer/dryer/dishwasher ect 

I cant have any smart meter it wont work here as out elec meters are not in our flats there out in the hallway to our flats in a thick double walled cubord around 100 feet from our flats so the smart meters will be effectivly be dumb meters plus our mobile phone signals here which run the smart meters are very poor so wont work properly my son has this issue in his flat down the road from me thats how i know plus my neighbour in my same block has issues too

So will my ecconomy10 digital meter still work like it is now? 

There clearly not thinking about us who need the ecconomy10 to live heat & eat & im 60 too so get cold quickly so i need my heaters to be able to run in them hrs 


I need to see photos of the existing meter first @Angelbabe1uk , along with everything near to it.


 


I dont think its allowing my pic


You may need to get the Forum Moderators to assist. Please email it to forum@ovoenergy.com .


I dont think its allowing my pic

Try using the image icon (top right) 

 


I need to see photos of the existing meter first @Angelbabe1uk , along with everything near to it.

 


I dont think its allowing my pic

Try using the image icon (top right) 

 

Thats what im trying all i get is a spining lot of dots in a circle


I dont think its allowing my pic

Try using the image icon (top right) 

 

Thats what im trying all i get is a spining lot of dots in a circle

Sounds like the image may be too large. Try Blastoise’s solution


Its named a E150 single phase watt hour meter solid state if thats any help 

Its all white with a digital display and a blue push button to check readings


And i have a huge grey box nxt to it with a switch 


That is not an E10 meter. Are you sure you’re on E10? I need to see photos - model numbers alone are unreliable


That is not an E10 meter. Are you sure you’re on E10? I need to see photos - model numbers alone are unreliable

Its an eccon10 ive been on it yrs and my bills say its eccon10


Well, I have to go on assumptions in that case.

Long story short, do NOT rely on your current setup continuing to work. You need to get it upgraded by the time RTS gets shut down.

If you can provide photos, I can make my advice more accurate


That is not an E10 meter. Are you sure you’re on E10? I need to see photos - model numbers alone are unreliable

Meter serial is D15CO2478


That is not an E10 meter. Are you sure you’re on E10? I need to see photos - model numbers alone are unreliable

Meter serial is D15CO2478

 

https://images.app.goo.gl/7My4gSCZMKSWAuSe8 this is exact same as mine


I see.

You can get Smart Meters even if the mobile signal is weak - there are options like Mesh networking that’ll make it work. The distance to your property from the meter is also irrelevant - that only affects the IHD, not the meter.


I see.

You can get Smart Meters even if the mobile signal is weak - there are options like Mesh networking that’ll make it work. The distance to your property from the meter is also irrelevant - that only affects the IHD, not the meter.

Smart meters dont run on ecconomy10 only ecconomy7 i have to have ecconomy10 to be able to use my convector heaters as there not storage type


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