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October 7, 2024

Moving to OVO Economy 10 (with or without storage heaters)

  • October 7, 2024
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Has anyone successfully moved to Economy 10 with OVO and was your experience?

A few weeks ago I received an email from OVO about the removal of the RTS signal and suggesting I book an appointment to replace my meter. I was a THTC customer so I chose Economy 10 and booked the appointment.

Six days ago the new meter was installed with an In House Display (IHD). The IHD is operating in accordance with the Economy 10 tariff but the meter is supplying power according to Economy 7 times, i.e. power comes to my storage heaters between 01.00 and 07.00 but I am being charged the lower rate at Economy 10 time periods. That means I am being paying the higher rate to charge my storage heaters overnight (and it is getting cold in highland Scotland)

OVO customer support first of all offered to re-program the meter in 6 weeks; they delay because they needed to wait until communication with the meter was established (?). I managed to negotiate them down to making an appointment for a site visit in 2 weeks time.

Tens of thousands of these THTC meters need to be replaced before next June. This is a huge undertaking and my experience indicates the need for a separate help line for follow up support. It has taken me a week and a lot of investigation to get to this stage. My contacts with OVO support via on-line chat have been like wading through treacle. I think OVO need to get on top of this asap because there are very many vulnerable people using the THTC tariff with storage heaters.

An additional complication is that storage heater users have been encouraged to replace old heaters with Dimplex Quantum heaters. The preferred installation uses two power sources - one a 24 hour supply for the heating controls and the other so supply the bricks from off peak. There is a different internal cable setup for a single supply. THTC provides these supplies through two meters. In my ignorance I thought moving to one meter would mean one supply. Apparently the wrongly installed Economy 7 meter provides two supplies. 

Does anyone know if Economy 10 is one supply being billed at the different rates depending on time od day. The IHD would tend to support the later as it is happily billing me as per the Economy 10 tariff.

I hope this lengthy post wiil help me and the wider community with your responses.

Pinned Reply By Firedog

You’re not alone. Please see my lengthy reply here:

 

Since this major operation (replacing hundreds of thousands of old RTS meters with smart ones) has only been underway a few weeks, we don’t have much experience of how it’s going. We really only hear in this forum about the ones that go wrong, and not all of those who come here for advice come back to tell us when it all comes right.

Anyway, your situation seems to be very similar to that of the customer I responded to yesterday. In the absence of any information to the contrary, I’m afraid I can’t make any other suggestion. As always, photos would help.

I shouldn’t worry about the power supply to the night storage heaters (NSH). There are indeed two separate supplies, one that is always live (constant) and the other that is only live in offpeak periods (switched). The engineer should have made sure that each NSH is connected to the right circuits. You say your NSH are charging overnight; are their controls active during the day, so you can select ‘comfort’ times and so on? 

Photos, please!

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KeastAuthor
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October 13, 2024

Many thanks iedow letting me know about your successful move to  Economy 10. I see your meter was installed on the same day as mine. Do you know when the Economy 10 service kicked in? 

Firedog writes:  I suspect the smart team will wait until it’s settled down completely before attempting the ECAUL request to configure the ALCS, which should then start switching the auxiliary load at the times appropriate to Economy 10. 

I found this Tutorial dated July 2024 on the forum: Getting a SMETS2 smart meter with storage heaters, underfloor heating or other 5th port appliances.

I wish I had seen it before now. It is enlightening and provides two interesting pieces of information:

The default off-peak hours loaded on to the meter are 00:00 - 07:00. When the engineer installs your meter they’ll also send an 'Electricity Configure Auxiliary Load' request (commonly known as an 'ECAUL') to configure the time-switch on the meter to match the off peak hours for your region. 

If your heating isn’t switching on as expected (or at the times expected) following a SMETS2 meter install, it might be due to an issue with this ECAUL configuration process, in which case we may be able to fix things remotely. Reach out to our Support Team to report these issues.

This suggests that the installing engineer sends the ECAUL request. I wonder how long I should wait before I reach out to Support because after 13 days I am still on Economy 7. 

 

Newcomer
October 14, 2024

Many thanks iedow letting me know about your successful move to  Economy 10. I see your meter was installed on the same day as mine. Do you know when the Economy 10 service kicked in? 

For me it was immediately on the meter change.

As soon as the engineer had finished waiting for the IHD to “commission” itself, and it started picking up OVO details, etc. in its settings menu, the E10 hours started to take effect - with the countdown showing (same IHD as that pictured above).

He’d changed the meter just before 4pm when the E10 second period expired and I was able to see the countdown on that straight away (and previously on Superdeal there was no such 1-4pm window).

Newcomer
October 14, 2024

Mine does a countdown. Octopus Go starting at 00:30. I probably won’t get up to see it countdown from 04:30 when the standard rate returns at 05:30…!

Fascinating.. not seen this. Glad mine doesn’t do that every half-hour on Agile 😂 

FYI this is what OVO gave me too, the same IHD device.

It’s a “Chameleon Technology IHD3-PPMID-AAA“

KeastAuthor
Rank 2
October 14, 2024

My IHD does the countdown too but the off peak supply does not come on during the day. It comes on between 1.00 and goes off at 8.00. I understand that is the default for the meter if it does not communicate.

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
October 14, 2024

My IHD does the countdown too but the off peak supply does not come on during the day. It comes on between 1.00 and goes off at 8.00. I understand that is the default for the meter if it does not communicate.

That’s because your meter Economy 7 Mode rather than Economy 10 Mode. :)

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KeastAuthor
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October 14, 2024

Blastoise: You have brought me back to square 1! Do I need to throw a six to restart?

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
October 14, 2024

Nope! If the meter comms are working, it should be an easy fix. The SMETS Command to reconfigure ECAUL/ALCS should do the trick.

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KeastAuthor
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October 14, 2024

Thanks, Blastoise186. Who issues the SMETS? Is it done remotely or on site?

Blastoise186
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Super User
October 14, 2024

Remotely only - OVO Support should be able to trigger it. It can’t be done locally/on-site.

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KeastAuthor
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October 14, 2024

Thanks again, Blastoise186. I will try them this after noon.