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THTC meter - Removal Request

  • January 10, 2024
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Hi folks,

 

I am trying to have a redundant THTC meter removed from my house and OVO seem to be refusing to do this. Can anyone help explain what I should do? Some background info below:

 

We moved to a property in March last year in the west of Scotland. The property has two meters with a THTC setup running storage heaters. We are getting the storage heaters removed in February and an air source heat pump installed. 

 

Once this work has been carried out there will be nothing running from the RadioTelemeter (THTC) meter.

 

I have contacted OVO by phone yesterday to request that this meter be removed once it is no longer in use. The person I spoke with said that OVO would not do this because doing so would stop the other (ordinary) meter working. They weren’t able to explain why this would be the case. After some time on the phone I was told that if I emailed OVO with evidence that the THTC meter would not powering anything then they could arrange for it to be removed. This seemed like a positive outcome although it was not clear why we were initially told in the call that removal wasn’t possible.

 

I sent an email last night attaching the quotes from our electrician and heating engineer for removal of storage heaters and replacement with heat pump etc. I got a positive response this morning:

I am Stephen from account management at OVO energy after reading your email we can go ahead and do that for you but i am going to give you extra information so to proceed with this job there is a charge due to the nature of it I would like to clarify that your okay with that and if you are i can go ahead and get you a price and and book the job for you.

 

Again this seemed positive and I asked Stephen to go ahead and give us a cost. I then had response email from Nahim:

Apologies for the confusion form what Stephan said but as of right now, appointments for removing THTC meters aren't available. We appreciate you gave us confirmation the property's heating system is no longer dependant.

However we are working on a new meter type that'll basically replace the current two meters and you'll get one meter. The meter will reveal at Spring and you'll get an email when your free meter upgrade is ready

 

As far as I understand it the ‘new meter type’ mentioned has been in development for years and has been repeatedly delayed. I have little to no confidence that it will arrive in spring as promised above. It isn’t clear why we should be expected to wait for this.

 

Ontop of that our experience from speaking to neighbours and friends locally is that smart meters are useless in this (rural) area since they are not able to connect to a radio mast for communication. Any smart meters fitted simply operate as ‘dumb’ meters in this area.

 

Can anyone give us some hope that it is possible to get the redundant THTC meter removed as we have requested? Is there any technical reason why this wouldn’t be possible?

 

Failing that at least any good reason why we should have to wait for the new meter to be developed and rolled out? It seems in this instance that whilst waiting we’d have headaches if we wanted to switch supplier etc because we’d have a strange setup with a redundant meter and two MPAN numbers associated with the property. This could go on indefinitely since the new meters are not yet launched.

 

Below is a photograph of our current setup incase this is useful:

 

 

We’d really appreciate any help on this!

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Best answer by Nukecad

They may well ask for consumer feedback later; once those initial proposals have been refined by industry discussions.

However at the moment that isn’t what they want or need.

So it’s best not to clog up their email with unwanted stuff that just takes up their time to deal with.
(There’s a word we all use for unwanted emails - spam).

Wait and see if they do ask for consumer feedback/opinion, but TBH there may not be time.
The clock is counting down and contingency plans need to be in place for when it reaches zero in June.

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Blastoise186
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October 1, 2024

You can’t have multiple tariffs at once - you need to pick only one.

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Newcomer
October 4, 2024

According to the BBC, there are 175,000 Scottish customers needing new smart meters before the RTS signal is turned off on 30 June 2025.

Customers face heating problems if meters not replaced - BBC News

Let’s do the sums…

  • 175,000 customers
  • There are 192 working days between now and signal turn-off.
  • That means that every day 911 customers will need to get a new smart meter installed.

If an engineer can do, say, 2 installations per day, that means a team of 456 engineers is required in Scotland to get everyone moved across to Smart Meters in time for the switch-off.

 

Blastoise186
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October 4, 2024

On average, one engineer can usually do up to six installs per day, depending on variables.

Bear with me - I can try to get a better number for your number crunching. This may take some time.

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Newcomer
October 4, 2024

If it's 6 per day, it might be possible 

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Newcomer
October 5, 2024

The engineer who did our THTC to Smart Domestic Economy had been programmed to do FIVE however he had run out of time so he only managed FOUR
The BBC signal is received most places in Scotland however I see many people commenting that the Radio Signal that controls the SMART meters will not be available in many rural areas so has anyone estimated how many premises will be faced with DUMB SMART Meters and will anyone comment on the impending failure of the THTC replacement programme due to the inadequacy of the “Solution” ??????

Emmanuelle_OVO
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October 7, 2024

I wonder if @Lukepeniket_OVO has any insight on this?

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October 8, 2024

The engineer who did our THTC to Smart Domestic Economy had been programmed to do FIVE however he had run out of time so he only managed FOUR
The BBC signal is received most places in Scotland however I see many people commenting that the Radio Signal that controls the SMART meters will not be available in many rural areas so has anyone estimated how many premises will be faced with DUMB SMART Meters and will anyone comment on the impending failure of the THTC replacement programme due to the inadequacy of the “Solution” ??????


I’ve been told I sit outwith the Smart Meter WAN coverage.

I must admit, I’m not exactly brimming with confidence that those responsible will suddenly get their acts together, become hyper-efficient and solve the problem in time for the RTS switch off.

Our politicians should be asking what will happen in that event, and determine the compensations to be offered, should the deadline be missed.

And anyone any idea why the Data Communications Company (DCC) is so secretive regarding the signal roll-out?

Emmanuelle_OVO
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October 9, 2024

The engineer who did our THTC to Smart Domestic Economy had been programmed to do FIVE however he had run out of time so he only managed FOUR
The BBC signal is received most places in Scotland however I see many people commenting that the Radio Signal that controls the SMART meters will not be available in many rural areas so has anyone estimated how many premises will be faced with DUMB SMART Meters and will anyone comment on the impending failure of the THTC replacement programme due to the inadequacy of the “Solution” ??????

 

Hey @DaveIS 

 

Are you able to private message me with your account details, I’ve found someone internally who can take a look at this. 

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October 9, 2024

I am happy with our installation however my question was somewhat academic in that some questions have been raised 
!. Is there time and are there resources to complete the changeover?
2. Those who are out of range for the radio signal that will now be used will be faced with dumb smart meters so how will their power be controlled and billed?

I still do not understand how and why this decades long problem has been allowed to “fester” until it has grown to the current position or why the UK Government who own the BBC could not instruct that the signal broadcast by the BBC must be continued?

Emmanuelle_OVO
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October 10, 2024

Updated by Emmanuelle_OVO:

There is a RTS Taskforce, led by Ofgem, that’s dealing with this. Solutions exist for all circumstances, including ones where there is no signal. All customers will be invited to have a smart meter to overcome the issues they may face. 

I’m glad to hear that you're happy with your installation @DaveIS  

 


!. Is there time and are there resources to complete the changeover?

 

I’ve been reassured that the Scottish Government and Ofgem are prioritizing this & working with suppliers.

 


2. Those who are out of range for the radio signal that will now be used will be faced with dumb smart meters so how will their power be controlled and billed?

 

I’m getting clarification on this but I’d imagine they’d face the same scenario as customers with non complex meter set ups whose meters don’t communicate remotely, that they’d have to submit meter readings manually or have meter readers attend their properties. 

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