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Asbestos backboard removal- Who's responsible?

  • March 31, 2024
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Hi everyone.

 

Has anyone been through the process of having their electricity meter successfully removed from an asbestos backboard, in order for both to be replaced? 

 

A little context. We have an older style meter which has developed a fault (the readout has gone blank). We’ve had a smart meter installation aborted twice in the last few years with quite vague explanations as to why and no follow up.

 

The fault in the meter has now thrown up some answers as to why the installs were aborted, but having reported the fault, we’ve been sent back and forth between OVO and Scottish and Southern with no one wanting to help or offer advice. 

 

What is the process in these circumstances? I know the backboard is our responsibility but I can’t imagine anyone wanting to deal with the meter without the consent of the DNO?

 

Any help would be muchly appreciated.

Steve-o.

Best answer by Chris_OVO

Updated on 15/08/25 by Emmanuelle_OVO:
 

Who’s responsible for replacing a meter backboard?


As you can see on our great guide, the meter backboard is maintained by your Distribution Network Operator (DNO).

 

 

Not sure who the DNO is …

 

I assumed SSEN, going by “we’ve been sent back and forth between OVO and Scottish and Southern ...” in the OP. 

I had a quick look at your UKPN site and see that they’re pretty clued up as regards this asbestos business. I searched the equivalent SSEN site, but not a whisper about asbestos there. Some DNOs are more equal than others.

 

I would agree with you on this one @Firedog. When I was reading into this more to get a better understanding I found some DNO better than others. The UKPN site is very clean and clear when setting expectations and explaining next steps but the SSEN site was difficult to get more information from. 

I appreciate you keeping the conversation going and hopefully we will have an update from @Steve-o soon! 

 

 

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BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
April 2, 2024

I have to admit… I’m not a huge fan of that exposed wire below the main fuse...

It’s an earth Blastoise, connected to the Open earth bar and connected to the outer shield of the incoming cable. Zero potential

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BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
April 2, 2024

Looking back at your picture @Steve-o , I wonder if they’ve looked at the white background (wall?) and presumed that was part of the backboard. The engineers might have looked at the notes rather than examined the board fully … just a thought

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Chris_OVO
Community Manager
Community Manager
April 2, 2024
BPLightlog wrote:

You are correct regarding needing to coordinate all relevant parties for this swap @Steve-o but from the picture, I’m struggling to see the asbestos. 
That backboard looks wooden, unless it has some sort of additional backing

Firedog wrote:

BPLightlog wrote:

…  I’m struggling to see the asbestos. That backboard looks wooden, unless it has some sort of additional backing
 

 

Me too 😉 I rather assumed that it was some sort of asbestos sheet faced with a fire-resistant veneer, since Steve seemed to know what he was talking about. 

 

The screws on the board look like they’re aged well enough to indicate the boards been there for a considerable time. We can’t rule out asbestos unless @Steve-o has already had the board/wall tested which confirms it. It may be worthwhile having this tested if you haven’t already to confirm the presence of asbestos. 

If you get the results and they are clear then it would make getting the backboard changed a step easier! 

Keep us updated on your progress with this one I will be following this topic closely! 

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Firedog
Super User
Super User
April 2, 2024

This has led me into a veritable rabbit warren. As far as I can make out*, a meter engineer who aborts a task because he suspects asbestos may be present should complete a report to that effect and hand a copy to the customer. This should also be recorded on the customer’s account, which is why there is presumably a ‘predicted abort’ flag on Steve’s. The report should detail where precisely the nasty stuff is, and the engineer should have left a warning sticker (BP’s engineers have left at least four different stickers over the years), but I can’t see one in your picture. Perhaps you could ask Support if they can send you a copy of the report(s) if they exist.

There is one other avenue to explore: your local council’s environmental health department. A good EHO¹ should be able to advise you how to proceed and might even conduct a site survey if one of his parishioners is at risk.  

*  Source: meteroperators.org.uk/download/asbestos-guidance-document_2019/?wpdmdl=8715

 


 

  1. Strictly off-topic: I had a good friend, a retired gentleman. People were always asking him what he did before retiring, and his answer was always ‘ratcatcher’. I eventually learnt that he had a PhD in biology and been for many years the head of the environmental health department for a large local authority in the whisky belt. He would have come to look at your asbestos-infested meter cupboard.
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BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
April 2, 2024

Not sure who the DNO is but here UKPN seem to suggest that they would coordinate things .. I have seen different comments depending on region and ownership 

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Firedog
Super User
Super User
April 2, 2024

 

Not sure who the DNO is …

 

I assumed SSEN, going by “we’ve been sent back and forth between OVO and Scottish and Southern ...” in the OP. 

I had a quick look at your UKPN site and see that they’re pretty clued up as regards this asbestos business. I searched the equivalent SSEN site, but not a whisper about asbestos there. Some DNOs are more equal than others.

 

Noel | I have no official status; I'm just a volunteer who comes here to help other customers. My gear: Aclara SGM 1416-B Electricity-only E7 meter; Chameleon IHD3-PPMID-AAA | It may look as if I know what I’m talking about, but don’t let that fool you. |
Chris_OVO
Community Manager
Chris_OVOSolved
Community Manager
April 3, 2024

Updated on 15/08/25 by Emmanuelle_OVO:
 

Who’s responsible for replacing a meter backboard?


As you can see on our great guide, the meter backboard is maintained by your Distribution Network Operator (DNO).

 

 

Not sure who the DNO is …

 

I assumed SSEN, going by “we’ve been sent back and forth between OVO and Scottish and Southern ...” in the OP. 

I had a quick look at your UKPN site and see that they’re pretty clued up as regards this asbestos business. I searched the equivalent SSEN site, but not a whisper about asbestos there. Some DNOs are more equal than others.

 

I would agree with you on this one @Firedog. When I was reading into this more to get a better understanding I found some DNO better than others. The UKPN site is very clean and clear when setting expectations and explaining next steps but the SSEN site was difficult to get more information from. 

I appreciate you keeping the conversation going and hopefully we will have an update from @Steve-o soon! 

 

 

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juliamc
Rank 20
Rank 20
April 3, 2024

When I had recent work done by UKPN they asked me to send a short video of the meter area which meant no surprises when they arrived. A very useful idea.

Chris_OVO
Community Manager
Community Manager
April 4, 2024

Amazing suggestion @juliamc. I think with this type of scenario the more detail and information we have the better 🙂

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October 4, 2024

Account number is **Removed by Mod** Cliff

I asked OVO to replace my Econ7 meter 3 months ago. An ‘engineer’ called on 17 July, took a quick look at the meter cupboard and said ‘never seen that before, distributor will need to deal with wiring before meter can be swapped’ and drove off after about 10 minutes. I later got an email saying DNO had been notified and should make an appointment within 8 weeks. After 8 weeks I contacted OVO on Chat and was told DNO had been informed. I phoned DNO who knew nothing of it. After making numerous queries and complaints I finally got told this week the problem was ‘asbestos in meter cupboard’ and DNO had responsibility to rectify. I have several issues with this (incidentally I’ve read all the online help on this kind of issue I can find)

  1. I complained that OVO should have told me about asbestos at the time of the visit. No response from OVO.
  2. I complained ‘asbestos in meter cupboard’ told me nothing - where exactly was the asbestos alleged to be, and how did the ‘engineer’ reach this conclusion on the basis of a brief visual inspection. How could I discuss the matter with DNO in this state of ignorance? No response from OVO.
  3. I pointed out several times that there was no DNO equipment in the meter cupboard so why is the DNO being held responsible. The main fuse and cut-off are on the wall opposite and the ‘engineer’ did not even look at them. No response from OVO.
  4. I have asked to see the OVO ‘engineer’s’ report and the request made to the DNO. No response from OVO.
  5. I have pointed out this is time critical and should be priority because of RTS withdrawal. No response received.
  6. I have pointed out that the warnings OVO gave about RTS were completely inadequate, just generic warnings like ‘your meter may not work’ with no explanation why or description of the consequences. No response received.

I attach pictures of meter cupboard. Nothing unusual I can see except defunct Horstmann meter left it situ when Schlumber Econ7 installed so they didn’t have to bother with rewiring. The blue/brown/earth wiring was installed three years ago when entire property rewired and new customer unit installed.

The DNO is SSEN.

Any advice how I can get OVO to confront their responsibilities and respond to legitimate queries and complaints? It’s above the pay grade of the help/complaints staff. All they can do is look at what the computer tells them and may not understand the issues. There are only two directors for the entire company and no mention of technical advisors.

Also any advice on what is likely to happen when RTS withdrawn if this doesn’t get resolved. I understand the meter may be jammed ‘on’ at the day or night rate or ‘off’ and not record anything. 

Meter cupboard

I am not an electrician.

There must be many thousands of people in this position.