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Power Move- What is the point?

  • March 3, 2024
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I have read several comments, and it seems that like me, many are frustrated with the fact we never achieve our target!  I don’t use a washing machine at peak times, I only use the oven perhaps once a week for less than 30 mins, I often delay firing up the  central heating so the pump is not pulling power, and we watch TV with one small table light on.  How much more do I have to switch off?  It’s a big con!

Best answer by Tim a victim

Could not agree more with TonyC there is a big clue in the name. The purpose of the scheme is to encourage people not to turn on devices all at the same time as everyone else thus reducing the maximum demand on the grid which will mainly occur between 4 and 7 pm. In order to give an incentive they will give you a financial reward that reflects how much you are helping.

In my case we have an all electric house which has a heat pump and a high level of insulation. All I have to do is raise the temperature by 1 degree by 4 pm and then shut down the heating, the house will only lose about 2 degrees in 12 hours as it is so well insulated. 
we are heavy users as not only do we have all electric heating but also an electric car which we do not charge in the  the 4 to 7 window. Typically our consumption in the window is in the order of 5% as a result.

i would also fully endorse the use of monitoring plug sockets, you can move them from location to location and you may be surprised at the results. For example, we use more electrical energy on the TV ( a flat screen modern OLED type) in a week than we do using our washing machine and tumble drier a week and they are run about every other day. The TV uses very little per hour but it is on for many more hours than the Washing machine and tumble drier.

every household will be different, but by using these monitoring devices you can at least know what is worth worrying about and/or justify replacing things with more energy efficient items.

one other thing I have used these for is setting a schedule that turns off things late at night, in case you forget. Especially things like a light in the loft or in the garage which are all too easy to forget about as they are not usually visible when the loft hatch or garage door is closed.

Being a S.O.G. (Sad old git) as my offspring refer to me I have measured all our devices and pulled together a lot of data to identify phantom loads etc.

A man needs a hobby! I can bore for hours on the subject.

 

 

 

 

31 replies

Peter E
Super User
Super User
June 6, 2024

@Middlestreet You could also consider that the reduction in the use of fossil fuel is also an unintended consequence although one that is beneficial in terms of less CO2 being produced.

 

But I totally agree with you that light users have a much harder time meeting the target compared heavy users like me with an EV.

 

Peter

Reducing my yearly fossil fuel usage with an EV (-900 litres petrol), A2AHP (-8,700 kWh gas) and Timed Immersion heater (-1,500 kWh gas)
Rank 2
June 6, 2024

Sympathize completely with you. Everyone's household is different. Joined the scheme last year for around nine months and hit target every month but reward wasn't really worth the effort. I'm a WW2 child and the scheme reminds me of the bad old days of rationing in the 50's. For God's sake it's 2024 and we're still being asked to ration energy? 80th anniversary of D Day today and 80 years of incompetent governments who still are incapable of ensuring our energy security. The impending General Election won't make any difference. Name an MP that is part of the Power Move scheme? £90 grand a year plus expenses, they can afford their own generators!

Rank 9
June 6, 2024

One of the unintended consequences of Power Move seems to be that the easiest way to make the target percentage is to actually increase your overall consumption.  I am not sure how it affects my CO2 production but I always leave my oil boiler heating my hot water in the summer as it seems to be cheaper then immersion - uses very little oil.

Rank 2
June 7, 2024

Not unintended at all. You never actually thought that an energy company was going to give away shareholders profits did you? Guaranteed that OVO is making more from the National Grid out of this scheme than they are giving back to customers. Beware, with the latest lowering of the energy price cap there will be more of these trick schemes offered. Don't fall for them.

Newcomer
June 7, 2024

Ian, I would hardly call this a trick scheme . If you do not wish to participate don’t. If you don’t wish to shift usage, don’t. If you’re able to shift and you wish to participate great. OVO will make a percentage no doubt, but so will the consumer if you’re able to shift.

These schemes are not really aimed at the ultra low users as you are a low user, this can feel unfair but maybe change your perspective and be ‘happy’ that you don't need to shift power to try and scrimp and save a few pence or pounds?

Ian, this is nothing at all like rationing, and it’s verging on offence even suggesting it, there are no rolling blackouts, no planned power cuts, no shortage of power.

The national grid has made this abundantly clear the is power. It is appropriate and smart to use you resources effectively, this is what this helps to do. Small changes equal large differences collectively and could mean not needing to look power up a gas turbine, they same way you can be payed to use more electricity when there is excessive, rather than curtailing production.

MPs I’m sure can afford it, but throughout life there is and will always be the haves and have nots, unfortunately, history shows us this, this is alway irrelevant to the scheme and sounds more like greens eyed envy.

Grid balancing and payments to use or not use have as far as i remember always be in place (commercially), the difference now is the public is getting to benefit for the payment mechanisms that was once the limited to heavy industry for example, ie smelting.

Rank 5
June 7, 2024

We joined the power move scheme in the winter and did the best we could by avoiding as much electricity consumption during the peak hours. We are low consumers generally. Typical electric consumption is around 6kWh per day during the heating season. We achieved no rewards at all because there wasn’t much more we could have done. Background use that we can’t shut down pushed us outside the limits.

In May we shut down the oil boiler and activated the immersion heater. At this point of the year our electric consumption more or less doubles. The immersion timer is set for two 1 ½ hour periods a day. One at night, one mid afternoon. Of course, that changes the arithmetic and in May we achieved a reward under Power Move. This is daft. We get a reward for doubling our electric consumption.

 

as an aside why do you switch off your oil boiler?  Its cheaper to heat water by oil than by electric unless you’re using a cheap off peak tarrif

juliamc
Rank 20
Rank 20
June 7, 2024

Can I cut in here re the immersion? Do you need 2x1.5 hours every day? Do you ever run out of hot water? Have you tried lowering the temperature or running it for a shorter time? 

Our only way of heating hot water used to be an immersion on a timer, I had no idea what temperature it heated to I just knew it was hot. The little adjuster on the thermostat was very hit and miss. Our electricity bill was high, mostly due to that. 
Now we have a heat pump I have a sensor on the tank which tells me the temperature. Knowledge is power !!

 

Ps. the heat pump is so much more efficient that it uses about the same amount of electricity for both hot water and heating as just our old immersion!!!

Rank 2
June 7, 2024

One of the unintended consequences of Power Move seems to be that the easiest way to make the target percentage is to actually increase your overall consumption.  I am not sure how it affects my CO2 production but I always leave my oil boiler heating my hot water in the summer as it seems to be cheaper then immersion - uses very little oil.

Its the only way in our household.

 

 

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Peter E
Super User
Super User
June 7, 2024

@Baffled but hopeful You are absolutely right. On an SVT or Fixed Tariff at about 24p / unit you can’t get an immersion heater to be more economical than fossil fuel. What I want to say is actually outside the boundaries of this discussion regarding Ovo tariffs.

Reducing my yearly fossil fuel usage with an EV (-900 litres petrol), A2AHP (-8,700 kWh gas) and Timed Immersion heater (-1,500 kWh gas)
Newcomer
June 10, 2024

I agree with the OP, it (Power Move) seem to operate a little perversely when usage is already quite low. It is looking at a ratio between two quantities, so in theory, you could be rewarded for making the denominator (i.e. the total) bigger, not smaller. Though it would be a discount on a bigger bill.