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Power Move February 2024- Struggling to hit the target

  • March 3, 2024
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I was on holiday between the 4th and 24th February. I left a fridge freezer and a seperate freezer running obviously. All other appliances were unplugged including the internet. Ovo have e mailed to say my average useage was 17.75% higher than what was required to hit my target. 

Perhaps I have should have moved out for the extra 9 days. 

I think we are being hoodwinked !

Best answer by waltyboy

 

Updated on 06/03/25 by Chris_OVO

 

 

There’s no particularly “dark art” to Power Move.  The monthly Power Move is awarded on the basis of a simple calculation: what percentage of your overall weekday usage do you use in the peak hours of 4PM to 7PM? I agree it would be handy if there was a transparent way of seeing within our online account, as the month progresses, how we are doing towards meeting the target.  But the online account does show quite clearly how many kWh we use every half hour during every 24 hour period, so it’s not too difficult to check every day or every few days for ourselves and do the arithmetic.  And of course @JNeve, that’s precisely how “they know” what we use when we use it. Plus, of course, we can all guess when our usage is likely to be highest, as you say with the consoling post-work cuppa which surprise surprise is exactly when national peak demand occurs: when we’re coming in from work, getting ourselves and children in and fed and watered etc. etc.  

 

@CB1539, I too hope the price drops soon! I wish they’d sort out these iniquitous standing charges, for a start! The 50p you mention earning is for a Power Move Plus “event”, of course, nothing to do with the monthly Power Move, although the events, when they are announced from time to time, do usually fall somewhere within the peak hours of 4 -7, understandably enough.  If you’re using around 7 kWh or so per weekday (your £2.50 electricity figure might include the daily SC?), although as you say it’s not particularly heavy, you do have some good wiggle room with that usage, some shifting and tweaking of weekday peak hour usage could well be possible?  It’s not always feasible, and I do feel for @Carter_99, 16.69% is not that far outside the target, usage must already be largely along the right lines? Maybe monitor closely on a weekly basis during March?

 

@SRF the solar panel dimension is frequently mentioned, and PV panels do usually mean that much consumption has already been shifted away from 4 - 7 and into daylight hours.  But I find especially in winter that my panels do not approach anything near my consumption requirements. Even in summer they cannot match the demands made by switching on the heavier items like the oven or the washing machine (unless it’s a really, really bright day, and even then the usual background stuff kicking in is enough to require consumption from the grid). I find my minimum 24-hour daily requirement for the house (i.e. without any heavy stuff to speak of) is 2.3 kWh, and the daily winter contribution from my panels is paltry: varies between an occasional 0 kWh and 3 kWh (on a good day, happening more and more as we moved through late February and into March, but never in Dec and hardly ever in Nov or Jan up here in Sunderland). Frequently the panels are producing 100 Watts or less.  Do you find that, for you, your solar panels cover all your daytime daily consumption, even in winter? I find I need to buy from the grid to supplement (more than supplement really) my panels, which does give me the flexibility to aim for the monthly Power Move. Mind you, my small battery doesn’t half help…

 

EDIT…Ah, have only just seen @EverythingNeedsAUserName post…exactly my feeling re PV panels, only very succinctly and graphically put, thank you…

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waltyboy
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waltyboySolved
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March 3, 2024

 

Updated on 06/03/25 by Chris_OVO

 

 

There’s no particularly “dark art” to Power Move.  The monthly Power Move is awarded on the basis of a simple calculation: what percentage of your overall weekday usage do you use in the peak hours of 4PM to 7PM? I agree it would be handy if there was a transparent way of seeing within our online account, as the month progresses, how we are doing towards meeting the target.  But the online account does show quite clearly how many kWh we use every half hour during every 24 hour period, so it’s not too difficult to check every day or every few days for ourselves and do the arithmetic.  And of course @JNeve, that’s precisely how “they know” what we use when we use it. Plus, of course, we can all guess when our usage is likely to be highest, as you say with the consoling post-work cuppa which surprise surprise is exactly when national peak demand occurs: when we’re coming in from work, getting ourselves and children in and fed and watered etc. etc.  

 

@CB1539, I too hope the price drops soon! I wish they’d sort out these iniquitous standing charges, for a start! The 50p you mention earning is for a Power Move Plus “event”, of course, nothing to do with the monthly Power Move, although the events, when they are announced from time to time, do usually fall somewhere within the peak hours of 4 -7, understandably enough.  If you’re using around 7 kWh or so per weekday (your £2.50 electricity figure might include the daily SC?), although as you say it’s not particularly heavy, you do have some good wiggle room with that usage, some shifting and tweaking of weekday peak hour usage could well be possible?  It’s not always feasible, and I do feel for @Carter_99, 16.69% is not that far outside the target, usage must already be largely along the right lines? Maybe monitor closely on a weekly basis during March?

 

@SRF the solar panel dimension is frequently mentioned, and PV panels do usually mean that much consumption has already been shifted away from 4 - 7 and into daylight hours.  But I find especially in winter that my panels do not approach anything near my consumption requirements. Even in summer they cannot match the demands made by switching on the heavier items like the oven or the washing machine (unless it’s a really, really bright day, and even then the usual background stuff kicking in is enough to require consumption from the grid). I find my minimum 24-hour daily requirement for the house (i.e. without any heavy stuff to speak of) is 2.3 kWh, and the daily winter contribution from my panels is paltry: varies between an occasional 0 kWh and 3 kWh (on a good day, happening more and more as we moved through late February and into March, but never in Dec and hardly ever in Nov or Jan up here in Sunderland). Frequently the panels are producing 100 Watts or less.  Do you find that, for you, your solar panels cover all your daytime daily consumption, even in winter? I find I need to buy from the grid to supplement (more than supplement really) my panels, which does give me the flexibility to aim for the monthly Power Move. Mind you, my small battery doesn’t half help…

 

EDIT…Ah, have only just seen @EverythingNeedsAUserName post…exactly my feeling re PV panels, only very succinctly and graphically put, thank you…

Walt. 2013: 3.2kW PV East/West + Fronius IG, >26MWh (of which, to date mid-2025, 20MWh exported). 2023: 2.4kWh LiFePo4 battery. 2024: Tadö wireless smart stat v3; Electriq split unit 2.6kW AAHP (“air conditioner”).
Rank 4
March 3, 2024

On average, I use roughly £1 a day of electricity - and I still manage to smash both Power Move Plus and I managed to hit Level 1 of Power Move in February, which is the first time I’ve succeeded at Power Move.

All this despite having a whole ton of Ubiquiti UniFi, powerful gaming laptop and a bunch of other stuff running 24/7. It IS possible to do, you just have to be clever about your usage.

Hi Blastoise

 

How on earth do you use only £1 a day of electricity? I have attached my Feb 24 usage - the peaks are where the electric cars have been charged, as the Ovo plot doesn’t include the discount for car charging as this is applied retrospectively. We have 1.5kW electric underfloor heating in the bathroom, but the rest of house is heated by gas - at much higher cost! So the consumption is mainly just normal stuff that everyone has in their house. I do have a lot of computers, though!

 

Tony

 

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
March 3, 2024

Easy. Despite having an ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14 with a 180W charger which is about 3x more powerful than most laptop chargers (seriously!) hooked up to two additional 24-inch displays and a whack ton of Ubiquiti UniFi powered by a UniFi Dream Machine (and a whole bunch of other tech tricks), all my stuff is very power efficient. So much so, I have enough Wi-Fi to power an entire office all day for less than it costs to boil a kettle for a couple of minutes.

That and erm… Hax… My underfloor heating and hot water don’t run on my own meter, but instead on a separate landlord meter that powers a communal heating/hot water system, so I just pay a fixed fee of something like 50p a week for unlimited heating and hot water. Since none of that hits my electric meter, it never hits my bill. I can literally turn my den into a sauna and rack up a huge electric bill for my landlord, but a certain stack of dead trees means they can’t make me pay for it. :)

The other trick for me is that I’m also a community volunteer with the fire service. I get assigned to a LOT of events meaning I effectively spend more time out of my den than I do in it. :)

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Rank 2
March 3, 2024

I should have realised that how they know by my email wasn’t thinking. having a moment. 
any way sometimes l find the hour ones easier to do so not inclined to use appliances then. l achieved it once in one of the months. don’t know how but l did.

Newcomer
March 3, 2024

I have given up trying as I previously said having solar panels prevents me using less when it’s dark.

I have solar panels…but I have consistently managed to achieve the full power move objective every month since last summer (ish) when I first knew about & signed up to it.

It’s just a matter of juggling things about to fit in the time scales OVO wants you to use, & by thinking outside the box we’ve managed it. Sometimes I kick myself when I realise I’ve put the toaster or microwave on in peak times but hey ho my grandson arriving unexpectedly for tea just has to eat! I just double down on other days to make up for it. It’s harder to achieve it when the sun is shining & the battery is charged, but it’s doable with a bit of thought.

Just plan ahead, & double down on other days if your plans go a little awry.

Nukecad
Super User
Super User
March 3, 2024

Personally I find that for me it's all down to cooking.

I have found that just doing my cooking (electric cooking) outside of the 4-7 peak slot  is enough for me to hit the PM lower target each month.

Boiling the ocassional kettle, or occasionally using the microwave or air fryer, during peak takes the percentage used up but not too much.

There are even days when I don't try at all, eg. last Friday I used the electric cooker at peak time (a large pie that wouldn't  fit in my air fryer) and clocked up 21% usage between 4-7, but my much lower peak usage in the rest of the week brought that down to 11% overall for that week.

I find that I don't need to mess about with anything else, but if I'm really trying then I can get down to 5% or even 4% for the day without too much hardship, - and definitely no sitting in the cold and dark for me.

(I copy/paste the half hour usage figures from my online account into my own spreadsheet to keep an eye on how things are going each day and so each month).

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Tron Burgundy
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March 3, 2024

I’ve posted this elsewhere but here’s a little thing that can help you do the calculations for how much energy you’ve used in the 4 to 7 timeslot each day.  Create a bookmark and then edit it and change the link to this:

javascript:(()=>{let e=document.querySelectorAll("[data-testid='usage-table-data']"),t=0;for(let a=32;a<=37;a++)t+=parseFloat(e[a].innerText);alert(t.toFixed(2) + " = " + (t*100 / document.querySelector('[data-testid="single-fuel-usage"]').innerText).toFixed(2)+"%")})();

 

When you go into your daily usage page click the link and it’ll popup a message showing the total usage in the 4 to 7 slot and the percentage used in that slot.  Make sure you’re showing electricity only.

If you want to work it out for the month you’re still going to have to put the total daily and slot amount into a spreadsheet.  If I’ve got time I’ll work on a script to do the whole month.

In February my mid month email told me I was outside the target to get anything.  I did loads of washloads outside the peak slot and cooking and brought it down to 10.54%.

It really is about knowing it’s the average of the energy used in the 4 to 7 slot on weekdays.  I did wonder first if it was the average of the percentages, which luckily it’s not.

Newcomer
March 4, 2024

On average, I use roughly £1 a day of electricity - and I still manage to smash both Power Move Plus and I managed to hit Level 1 of Power Move in February, which is the first time I’ve succeeded at Power Move.

All this despite having a whole ton of Ubiquiti UniFi, powerful gaming laptop and a bunch of other stuff running 24/7. It IS possible to do, you just have to be clever about your usage.

What do you eat if you’re only £1 per day, just one of my Dimplex Quantum storage heaters on economy 10 is costing me £25 per week, then I do like to have proper cooked meals. I don’t have a computer just an iPad, laptop and mobile. I use quick wash cycle programmed to come on in the morning twice a week. I refuse to use the other three storage heaters so they’re never switched on and I use two more controllable panel heaters when needed. The daily standing charge is a disgrace and should be scrapped, then of course we’re now all paying extra for those in fuel debt. Fortunately my house is very well insulated and takes advantage of the sun even in winter. However when I retire in September I’m off for three months to warmer climes and if Spain changes the 90 rule for us, even better. Sun sea and sangria for me.

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
March 4, 2024

Usually around 8pm these days, and yes I still have cooked meals. I just have a very power efficient setup in my flat despite all my stuff being massively overpowered.

Also, I spend a LOT of time out and about, which further cuts my bills. Given that the fire service reimburses my travel expenses for all assignments, and also reimburses my sustenance expenses for assignments lasting four hours or more… I have ways to manage my bills...

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Newcomer
March 6, 2024

Easy. Despite having an ASUS ROG Zephyrus G14 with a 180W charger which is about 3x more powerful than most laptop chargers (seriously!) hooked up to two additional 24-inch displays and a whack ton of Ubiquiti UniFi powered by a UniFi Dream Machine (and a whole bunch of other tech tricks), all my stuff is very power efficient. So much so, I have enough Wi-Fi to power an entire office all day for less than it costs to boil a kettle for a couple of minutes.

That and erm… Hax… My underfloor heating and hot water don’t run on my own meter, but instead on a separate landlord meter that powers a communal heating/hot water system, so I just pay a fixed fee of something like 50p a week for unlimited heating and hot water. Since none of that hits my electric meter, it never hits my bill. I can literally turn my den into a sauna and rack up a huge electric bill for my landlord, but a certain stack of dead trees means they can’t make me pay for it. :)

The other trick for me is that I’m also a community volunteer with the fire service. I get assigned to a LOT of events meaning I effectively spend more time out of my den than I do in it. :)

So, Blastoise you are not in the same boat as the rest of us then, you make savings because some of your usage is on your landlords meter and you’re out most of the day. When you live like the rest of us and get billed for All your usage then I could believe your comments on how to save.