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Power Move Calculation For September 2024

  • October 4, 2024
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I have a quite different result in my Power Move calculations for September than OVO did. Having been very close with July and August calculations, I would like to know why!

July, my figure 6.16%, OVO 6.17%

August, my figure 5.82%, OVO  5.86%

September, my figure 6.19%, OVO 6.94%

I have read the topic raised by Fern3 and am now aware of days being discarded due to missing half-hourly readings or late delivery of the data. However, the only way I can jimmy my calculations to match OVO’s result is to discard the data for the last 5 days of September for a 6.95% result.

Understanding what happened is important to me! Understanding what happened and getting my other fiver back is even more important!!

 

Best answer by Peter E

@PowerMover2053 During the last winter PM season I ran an independent calculation in a spreadsheet so I could track where I was in relation to the target on a day by day basis rather than just getting a mid month email telling me where I had got to. The rules then didn't include weekends or Bank Holidays so the calculation had to be right and generally I was within about 0.02% of the figure that was presented to me. I was well away from the boundaries so your situation didn't occur. I did find differences at the beginning but I found errors in my spreadsheet and corrected those. Of course, if there was a 0.02% error and you were 0.01% away from the target then that would be a difficult situation. Given that OVO is applying the same method to everyone's account I would tend to trust their calculations. Another point is that Half Hourly figures on the OVO data presented to you is rounded to units of 10Wh (0.01 kWh) whereas I think the meters send data in Wh to OVO. As far as I know the meters themselves are only accurate to about about 1%. Someone might correct me on that.

 

Peter

 

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Newcomer
October 5, 2024

I’ve had a similar problem.  I monitor my usage using the Bright app and the totals are usually very close to the OVO numbers.  But in September 2024 I’d calculated my consumption during peak hours was 7.08%, but the OVO total says 7.91%.

Firedog
Super User
Super User
October 5, 2024

I’d calculated my consumption during peak hours was 7.08%, but the OVO total says 7.91%.

 

Your calculations are undoubtedly correct, but the difference is likely to be that you’re basing them on some bits of data that weren’t available to PM at the time. Sadly, you’ve no way of knowing which days might have been discarded because PM didn’t get the half-hourly (Hh) figures until it was too late to include them. 

Bright pick up the Hh data more or less on demand, or a couple of times a day if the app is always running. OVO usually request data once a day, repeating the request later if it produced no result or an incomplete one the first time. However, there has to be a limit to the number of requests they can make and at what intervals, and PM can’t wait indefinitely just in case some data that were missing eventually turn up. So some days may get discarded. It’s a bit of a lottery, because it could work to either your benefit or your disadvantage. It looks like you missed out this time, but next month could bring a different result.

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Newcomer
October 5, 2024

I’ve just added up the numbers using the usage data on the OVO website.  That also produces 7.1%, the same as the Bright data.  So if there were instances of data being missing then the gaps must have been filled in subsequently.  While running totals may well be a lottery, I consider PM to be a contract, and I expect OVO to honour it.

Nukecad
Super User
Super User
October 5, 2024

Now that PM has moved into Beyond, and now promises weekly progress updates that should help spot if/when any days data has not been included in the calculation that week.

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Firedog
Super User
Super User
October 5, 2024

  

… the usage data on the OVO website ... also produces 7.1%, the same as the Bright data.  

 

Yes, but you’ve no way of knowing whether a specific day’s data arrived at OVO in time for them to be included in the calculation or not. 

Did you use the webpage figures with their 10Wh precision or the ones from the API precise to 1Wh? The difference can be significant. Bright and OVO should have exactly the same data, because they’re immutable once they’ve been stored in your meter.

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Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
October 5, 2024

A word of advice. Power Move isn't a contract, nor is it linked to the core supply contract. It runs purely on a best effort basis. You don't technically have the same rights over it as you do for the supply contract itself. 

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Abby_OVO
Community Manager
Community Manager
October 7, 2024

Hey @peteyshep 

 

I’ve passed your comments along to the team. They are still looking into the matter as a whole and hopefully will have some more insight for us soon.

 

We’ll pop back here as soon as we have an update.

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PowerM0v3Author
Rank 1
October 14, 2024

Is there any update on my question?

Emmanuelle_OVO
Retired Moderator
Retired Moderator
October 15, 2024

Hey @PowerM0v3 

 

I’ve spoken to the team who have advised they’re still looking into this. They should have more information later in the week.

 

As soon as I hear from them, I’ll update you in this topic thread. 

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Nukecad
Super User
Super User
October 17, 2024

Now that PM has moved into Beyond, and now promises weekly progress updates that should help spot if/when any days data has not been included in the calculation that week.

 

Just to note that today I’ve also got the half-way progress email.

So it looks like we will be getting both weekly updates in Beyond, and the half monthly email - at least for now.

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