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Power Move Calculation For September 2024

  • October 4, 2024
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I have a quite different result in my Power Move calculations for September than OVO did. Having been very close with July and August calculations, I would like to know why!

July, my figure 6.16%, OVO 6.17%

August, my figure 5.82%, OVO  5.86%

September, my figure 6.19%, OVO 6.94%

I have read the topic raised by Fern3 and am now aware of days being discarded due to missing half-hourly readings or late delivery of the data. However, the only way I can jimmy my calculations to match OVO’s result is to discard the data for the last 5 days of September for a 6.95% result.

Understanding what happened is important to me! Understanding what happened and getting my other fiver back is even more important!!

 

Best answer by Peter E

@PowerMover2053 During the last winter PM season I ran an independent calculation in a spreadsheet so I could track where I was in relation to the target on a day by day basis rather than just getting a mid month email telling me where I had got to. The rules then didn't include weekends or Bank Holidays so the calculation had to be right and generally I was within about 0.02% of the figure that was presented to me. I was well away from the boundaries so your situation didn't occur. I did find differences at the beginning but I found errors in my spreadsheet and corrected those. Of course, if there was a 0.02% error and you were 0.01% away from the target then that would be a difficult situation. Given that OVO is applying the same method to everyone's account I would tend to trust their calculations. Another point is that Half Hourly figures on the OVO data presented to you is rounded to units of 10Wh (0.01 kWh) whereas I think the meters send data in Wh to OVO. As far as I know the meters themselves are only accurate to about about 1%. Someone might correct me on that.

 

Peter

 

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Newcomer
October 3, 2024

Is anyone else having trouble understanding what their Power Move ‘benefit’ will be in-month?

I have been adding up the daily figures available next-day through the App, but for the past 2 months the outturn email from Ovo has suggested a significantly different %-use in peak hours for the previous month (compared to the figure I get by adding the daily figures from the App up). On both occasions the discrepancy has had the effect of bumping me down a reward tier. 

Have others had a similar issue when trying to budget their electricity use late-month? And has anyone had the opposite experience where Ovo have made an error on the % that’s worked in your favour?

 

Peter E
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Super User
October 3, 2024

@PowerMover2053 During the last winter PM season I ran an independent calculation in a spreadsheet so I could track where I was in relation to the target on a day by day basis rather than just getting a mid month email telling me where I had got to. The rules then didn't include weekends or Bank Holidays so the calculation had to be right and generally I was within about 0.02% of the figure that was presented to me. I was well away from the boundaries so your situation didn't occur. I did find differences at the beginning but I found errors in my spreadsheet and corrected those. Of course, if there was a 0.02% error and you were 0.01% away from the target then that would be a difficult situation. Given that OVO is applying the same method to everyone's account I would tend to trust their calculations. Another point is that Half Hourly figures on the OVO data presented to you is rounded to units of 10Wh (0.01 kWh) whereas I think the meters send data in Wh to OVO. As far as I know the meters themselves are only accurate to about about 1%. Someone might correct me on that.

 

Peter

 

Reducing my yearly fossil fuel usage with an EV (-900 litres petrol), A2AHP (-8,700 kWh gas) and Timed Immersion heater (-1,500 kWh gas)
Peter E
Super User
Super User
October 3, 2024

This is a useful read from @Firedog 

 

 

Reducing my yearly fossil fuel usage with an EV (-900 litres petrol), A2AHP (-8,700 kWh gas) and Timed Immersion heater (-1,500 kWh gas)
Rank 2
October 3, 2024

Hi l have decided to join the power move again. I don’t know what it involves but willing to give it ago. see what happens .

Newcomer
October 3, 2024

Thank you for this response. The calculations in my spreadsheet are accurate (I’ve just checked them again), leaving a discrepancy which is the equivalent of roughly two-days-worth of electricity usage in the ‘peak’ hours. The comment you posted from Firedog is illuminating and I suspect may provide the rationale for the discrepancy between OVO’s half-hourly records and their end-of-month calculation: the ‘peak hours’ may, routinely, extend for 10 minutes beyond the end of the ‘peak’ period. So if you routinely, say, switch on the washing machine, iron, kettle etc at the end of the ‘peak’ period OVO’s billing calculation may count these as being in the peak period. Let the user beware... 

Peter E
Super User
Super User
October 3, 2024

@PowerMover2053 I must admit I gave the peak hours boundaries a bit of a margin just in case there was an error on those and missed the taget by a small amount. I hope that it works out better for you. We all like to succeed having put the effort in.

 

Last year I did say that the reward should be more graduated so that it wasn't an all or nothing situation. I doubt if it was what I had said but the scheme has evolved to be better for customers. It's good that people come on here to express an opinion or query results because these things do get put under the spotlight.

 

Peter

 

Reducing my yearly fossil fuel usage with an EV (-900 litres petrol), A2AHP (-8,700 kWh gas) and Timed Immersion heater (-1,500 kWh gas)
Peter E
Super User
Super User
October 3, 2024

@JNeve Give it a go. See what happens. Just move whatever you reasonably can out of the peak into the non-peak hours.

Reducing my yearly fossil fuel usage with an EV (-900 litres petrol), A2AHP (-8,700 kWh gas) and Timed Immersion heater (-1,500 kWh gas)
Newcomer
October 4, 2024

You are clever in working your percentages. I can’t manage to do that I am just keeping in doing the same energy saving habits I did in the start. I have only been with this saving energy scheme a few weeks and hope it’s making a difference. I had an email saying I was on track to saving money.

Chris_OVO
Community Manager
Community Manager
October 4, 2024

Hey @PowerM0v3,

 

I’ve sent you a PM so that we can take a look at things for you. Keep an eye on your private messages.

Renewable energy jokes never get old.
Nukecad
Super User
Super User
October 4, 2024

The 2 decimal places from the account usage pages vs the 3 decimal places that the OVO calculation uses can make quite a difference over a month - or sometimes not much at all.

I use the 2-DP figures in my own spreadsheet  and at the month end it's been from exactly the same as OVOs up to 0.5% difference. (Up or down).

If you are on the borderline of a reward level then that 0.5% up or down can make the difference.

I said, Hey - Watts going on.