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Smart meter not sending readings to Octopus

  • November 26, 2024
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My smart meter appears to have stopped sending data/readings to Octopus as of 10 days ago.  It was installed 5 years ago and always worked fine.  The WAN light still flashes every 5 seconds so I cannot understand why it isn’t communicating. Octopus have suggested an engineer attend to conduct a “power cycle” but this won’t be for another month. Can anyone explain why this would not be communicating data and if there is anything I can do about it?  And if there is anyway to ensure meter readings data is captured to prevent me being charged a flat rate instead of the Octopus smart rate (I’m on Intelligent Go).  Thank you 

Best answer by DJKS

OK. I’ll say it again: the problems that were reported in the thread BP referred to were confined to Aclara meters. Pictures might have led us to think that (a) other types of meter were affected by this problem, (b) one or two more Aclara meters have been shown to be affected, or (c) the problems reported here have a different cause altogether. I see from your profile (pointing at your display image and selecting About) that you do indeed have an Aclara SGM 1412 - one down, one to go!

Clear photos remove much of the ambiguity that a response like ‘I have a Landis + Gyr E470’ or ‘it’s a Single Phase Watt-hour Meter’ would otherwise give rise to.  

Thanks ​@Firedog and ​@nealmurphy for the replies.  I ran the n3rgy report and appeared to get a positive report (the only warning was re the security cert expiring), and as mentioned all lights on the CH are flashing normally - so it sounds like ​@nealmurphy and I have a similar problem? 

 

The engineer has just been out and run the power cycle which he said could take up to 48 hours.  He seemed fairly dismissive of it being a firmware issue.  Rather - he thought it was likely down to poor mobile signal in the area (he is right, our 02 signal indoors and in the area is dreadful and rarely achieves more than one or two bars on 3G).  I gather the CH in the area (SE London) runs off the mob network and he advised that if the CH loses signal it will try to reconnect for a period (a few days or a week he thought), but after that it just gives up.  He said the power cycle should re-establish the connection - albeit we’d then be a risk of it happening again.

 

He advised asking Octopus for a dual fuel meter upgrade if the power cycle didn’t resolve things.

 

UPDATE: Engineer just called 20 mins after doing power cycle to say it was showing as having reconnected - so data should reappear in Octopus app etc soon.

 

I’ll report back to confirm

Thanks

20 replies

nealmurphy
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Newcomer
December 16, 2024

@Firedog  interestingly (or perhaps annoyingly) I'm getting a report back from n3rgy from that link and my WAN is flashing. It would be useful if ​@DJKS could confirm if theirs is the same. Still no power cuts here due to Christmas lights that would involve a power cycle for me, so the wait continues! Hope your PC works. Let us know!

Firedog
Super User
Super User
December 16, 2024

… I'm getting a report back from n3rgy from that link and my WAN is flashing.
  

@nealmurphy Did you not notice this bit?

[You never did post the photos that Blastoise asked for on day 1 - they’re always helpful when we’re trying to help diagnose meter problems.

For example, 

Earlier this year, a number of meter/coms hub combinations stopped transmitting data possibly due to a faulty firmware update.  
 

During that painful spell, all of the affected customers had Aclara SMETS2 meters of various flavours. Aclara and DCC set to looking for the cause to make it possible to find a solution. So far as I’m aware, the origin of this problem still hasn’t been nailed down, but it seems that most affected customers have been sorted out, although what was done in those cases still remains a mystery. I know that in my own case, the CH wasn’t power-cycled, so something else must have been done. 

Just to fuel the various conspiracy theories, there were at the time suspicions about authentication, helped along by n3rgy’s architect: (16) Consumer Consent Calamity | LinkedIn  

 

Noel | I have no official status; I'm just a volunteer who comes here to help other customers. My gear: Aclara SGM 1416-B Electricity-only E7 meter; Chameleon IHD3-PPMID-AAA | It may look as if I know what I’m talking about, but don’t let that fool you. |
nealmurphy
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Newcomer
December 16, 2024

I noticed that Blastoise requested pics of DJKS's meter but I don't think this would help narrow it down in this instance from the descriptions of what's happening, but it definitely wouldn't hurt. I guess we will have to wait and see what ideas DCC and the supplier come up with, who I believe are monitoring this thread.

Firedog
Super User
Super User
December 16, 2024

OK. I’ll say it again: the problems that were reported in the thread BP referred to were confined to Aclara meters. Pictures might have led us to think that (a) other types of meter were affected by this problem, (b) one or two more Aclara meters have been shown to be affected, or (c) the problems reported here have a different cause altogether. I see from your profile (pointing at your display image and selecting About) that you do indeed have an Aclara SGM 1412 - one down, one to go!

Clear photos remove much of the ambiguity that a response like ‘I have a Landis + Gyr E470’ or ‘it’s a Single Phase Watt-hour Meter’ would otherwise give rise to.  

Noel | I have no official status; I'm just a volunteer who comes here to help other customers. My gear: Aclara SGM 1416-B Electricity-only E7 meter; Chameleon IHD3-PPMID-AAA | It may look as if I know what I’m talking about, but don’t let that fool you. |
DJKSAuthorSolved
Rank 2
December 19, 2024

OK. I’ll say it again: the problems that were reported in the thread BP referred to were confined to Aclara meters. Pictures might have led us to think that (a) other types of meter were affected by this problem, (b) one or two more Aclara meters have been shown to be affected, or (c) the problems reported here have a different cause altogether. I see from your profile (pointing at your display image and selecting About) that you do indeed have an Aclara SGM 1412 - one down, one to go!

Clear photos remove much of the ambiguity that a response like ‘I have a Landis + Gyr E470’ or ‘it’s a Single Phase Watt-hour Meter’ would otherwise give rise to.  

Thanks ​@Firedog and ​@nealmurphy for the replies.  I ran the n3rgy report and appeared to get a positive report (the only warning was re the security cert expiring), and as mentioned all lights on the CH are flashing normally - so it sounds like ​@nealmurphy and I have a similar problem? 

 

The engineer has just been out and run the power cycle which he said could take up to 48 hours.  He seemed fairly dismissive of it being a firmware issue.  Rather - he thought it was likely down to poor mobile signal in the area (he is right, our 02 signal indoors and in the area is dreadful and rarely achieves more than one or two bars on 3G).  I gather the CH in the area (SE London) runs off the mob network and he advised that if the CH loses signal it will try to reconnect for a period (a few days or a week he thought), but after that it just gives up.  He said the power cycle should re-establish the connection - albeit we’d then be a risk of it happening again.

 

He advised asking Octopus for a dual fuel meter upgrade if the power cycle didn’t resolve things.

 

UPDATE: Engineer just called 20 mins after doing power cycle to say it was showing as having reconnected - so data should reappear in Octopus app etc soon.

 

I’ll report back to confirm

Thanks

nealmurphy
Newcomer
Newcomer
December 19, 2024

@DJKS thanks for the update. That is hopefully good news for you! Would you mind confirming the make of your meter please to see if there are any other similarities?

Firedog
Super User
Super User
December 19, 2024

Glad you’re sorted, at least for now 🙂
    

… our 02 signal indoors and in the area is dreadful
 

I think you’ll find that if 3G doesn’t cope (although 1-2 bars should be quite enough for the tiny data packets being exchanged), the SIM will try 2G, which is reaches further and is better at passing through obstacles. Get an app that tells you signal strength, force your mobile connection on to 2G and compare the dB values (smaller numbers = better signal). It was quite an eye-opener for me.
  

 

Noel | I have no official status; I'm just a volunteer who comes here to help other customers. My gear: Aclara SGM 1416-B Electricity-only E7 meter; Chameleon IHD3-PPMID-AAA | It may look as if I know what I’m talking about, but don’t let that fool you. |
DJKSAuthor
Rank 2
December 19, 2024

@DJKS thanks for the update. That is hopefully good news for you! Would you mind confirming the make of your meter please to see if there are any other similarities?

Thanks. My meter is a Landis +Gyr E470 Type 5394

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
December 19, 2024

If you need an app to test that signal stuff, try Ubiquiti WiFiman - it’s one of the only free ones that doesn’t spam you with ads because Ubiquiti customers such as myself (full disclosure there!) fund the development of it by buying their stuff.

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DJKSAuthor
Rank 2
December 23, 2024

Just by way of update, the connection appears to working normally again following the power cycle.  The explanation re the CH having lost connection due to the poor wifi signal does sound plausible.

The Octopus app has started showing usage data again, although only the missing electric readings have been restored and that was only after a request for the “manual pull”.  The gas readings for the period of downtime have not been loaded (albeit I care less about those given they aren’t linked to a smart tariff).

Thanks again for all who chimed in with help/suggestions.