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OVO Smart Meter fitted- Off-peak circuit always OFF?

  • November 29, 2023
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Hello,

I'm an ex-SSE customer that was migrated to OVO in June 2023.
I had a new smart meter fitted on the 16th of December 2022 by SSE and since then I had an issues with the Economy 7 tariff.

Initially, all appliances connected to the off-peak rate circuit (port 5) were always ON instead of turning on and off during rate changes.

After contacting SSE support and later on OVO support multiple times, on the 17th of July 2023, OVO sent an engineer that supposedly fixed our issue but instead it changed to the opposite way:
All appliances connected to the off-peak rate circuit (port 5) are now always OFF during both peak and off-peak hours.

Our heating system consists of storage heaters which are all connected to this off-peak circuit so we are now effectively without heating.

We contacted the OVO support multiple times about this issue with no luck.
They sent multiple emergency and non-emergency engineers and none of them was able to fix our issue beside worsening it on the 17th of July.

By going through other posts on this forum, I came to the conclusion that our problem is probably due to a misconfiguration of our smart meter that could be fixed remotely by OVO, specifically the ECAUL and ALCS config via SMETS commands.

I tried to mention this possible fix and those commands multiple times during phone calls and chats with support but they don't seem to understand what I'm talking about or flat out ignore it.

 

Both yesterday and today they sent an emergency engineer that as aforementioned were unable to do anything about it and told us to ask for an OVO engineer.
I tried this but the earliest would be the 29th of January which is ridiculous as we would be without heating for 2 more months during winter.

I’m not sure what to do at this point. I also raised formal complaint through the webchat but that seems not to do anything.

 

The smart meter that we got fitted.

 

Best answer by Emmanuelle_OVO

Updated on 03/04/25 by Ben_OVO:

Hey @insoctek,

 

Sorry for the issues you’re having, 

 

It might be worth speaking to the support team via webchat and sending them this topic. It is something we’ve seen on the Forum several times but might not be something agents are aware of.

 

They need to ask smart support team to send the ECAUL command to update the ALCS configuration.

 

Hope this helps. 

153 replies

Nukecad
Super User
Super User
December 5, 2024

So as I thought the screenshots are showing that circuit II is not being energised on either rate.

The question then being should it be being energised on one of them?

I said, Hey - Watts going on.
Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
December 5, 2024

Yes - it should be energised during the Off-Peak rate unless you’re on Flat Rate in which case it should be energised 24/7.

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Firedog
Super User
Super User
December 5, 2024

Shouldn't that be changing if the storage heaters are on a different circuit?
 

It should if the switch is working properly. I don’t suppose Brian stayed up until offpeak hours (or got up early) to take the photos; any picture taken in daytime hours will show that switch icon open. 

I suspect that “The agent advised …  he can send another signal to the meter” means that the ECAUL didn’t work first time. This is not unusual - it seems that it sometimes takes several goes to get the new ALCS configuration to stick. Brian should persevere with the smart team person he was in contact with to get him to keep trying.

 

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Nukecad
Super User
Super User
December 5, 2024

Slaps own head - of course - it's showing the current switch status when the photo was taken; whereas the displayed rate is not necessarily the current one in use.

I said, Hey - Watts going on.
Newcomer
December 6, 2024

Hi ​@brian563 ,

Bear with me and I’ll ask ​@Abby_OVO to swing by. She’s been able to get some of these solved recently and I think it’s just a case of getting ECAUL done to reconfigure the ALCS Calendar. But it may depend on how badly British Gas messed things up...

Hang in there for a bit and I’ll ask the question.

Thank you very much.

I’ll wait to see if you have a further update. 🙂🙂🙂

Newcomer
December 6, 2024

I think you’ll need to speak to squad 70 again & potentially ask the team to send the ECAUL command to update the ALCS configuration. We’ve seen similar topics on the forum ​@brian563 & this is usually the issue. 

Yes, I’ll certainly call squad 70 and do as you recommend.

However my experience with OVO energy agents has been very poor.

I am sad that the agent who helped me over a few days has now stopped calling me despite knowing I don’t have economy 7 during winter.

Newcomer
December 6, 2024

Shouldn't that be changing if the storage heaters are on a different circuit?
 

It should if the switch is working properly. I don’t suppose Brian stayed up until offpeak hours (or got up early) to take the photos; any picture taken in daytime hours will show that switch icon open. 

I suspect that “The agent advised …  he can send another signal to the meter” means that the ECAUL didn’t work first time. This is not unusual - it seems that it sometimes takes several goes to get the new ALCS configuration to stick. Brian should persevere with the smart team person he was in contact with to get him to keep trying.

 

  1. I will take photos of the meter reading during off-peak and upload them here. Should be up tomorrow.
  2. I’ll mention to an agent from squad 70 that several signals may be needed to set the meter properly.
Firedog
Super User
Super User
December 6, 2024
  1. I will take photos of the meter reading during off-peak …
     

Remember that the switch won’t happen on the dot, because each meter has a built-in delay of a few (potentially up to 30) minutes so that every storage heater in town doesn’t start up at the same instant (if they did, the grid would blow up!). Early morning might be your best bet; if your offpeak period ends at 07:00, take the photo at 06:55. 
 

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Newcomer
December 9, 2024
  1. I called Squad70 dept and arranged an agent to send a new signal to my meter. He advised I should check my meter readings after midnight. Also the agent cannot send numerous signals as the meter may ‘freeze’.
  2. I checked my storage heaters but they’re still not coming on.
  3. I have taken pics of my meter reading at 6.51am. 

Should I call Squad70 again and ask for another signal to be sent to my meter?

TOU-rate-1
TOU-rate-2
signal-strength
active-TOU-number

 

Firedog
Super User
Super User
December 9, 2024
  1. I have taken pics of my meter reading at 6.51am. 
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Thanks for making the effort! The pics are pretty conclusive: at the time, the meter was recording on the offpeak register (2) but the auxiliary load switch was open (o´o). When the register switches from 1 to 2, the load switch should close and vice versa.

If you spoke to the agent this morning, you won’t be able to tell whether the ECAUL request was successful or not until tonight. If you can manage, another photo taken at 06:50 tomorrow morning would be convincing evidence. It would be enough at this stage just to capture another ‘active-TOU-number’ image. 
 

I’m curious - how did you manage to get in touch with Squad 70? Were you given a dedicated phone number, or did Support put you through on request? 

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