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October 7, 2024

Moving to OVO Economy 10 (with or without storage heaters)

  • October 7, 2024
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Has anyone successfully moved to Economy 10 with OVO and was your experience?

A few weeks ago I received an email from OVO about the removal of the RTS signal and suggesting I book an appointment to replace my meter. I was a THTC customer so I chose Economy 10 and booked the appointment.

Six days ago the new meter was installed with an In House Display (IHD). The IHD is operating in accordance with the Economy 10 tariff but the meter is supplying power according to Economy 7 times, i.e. power comes to my storage heaters between 01.00 and 07.00 but I am being charged the lower rate at Economy 10 time periods. That means I am being paying the higher rate to charge my storage heaters overnight (and it is getting cold in highland Scotland)

OVO customer support first of all offered to re-program the meter in 6 weeks; they delay because they needed to wait until communication with the meter was established (?). I managed to negotiate them down to making an appointment for a site visit in 2 weeks time.

Tens of thousands of these THTC meters need to be replaced before next June. This is a huge undertaking and my experience indicates the need for a separate help line for follow up support. It has taken me a week and a lot of investigation to get to this stage. My contacts with OVO support via on-line chat have been like wading through treacle. I think OVO need to get on top of this asap because there are very many vulnerable people using the THTC tariff with storage heaters.

An additional complication is that storage heater users have been encouraged to replace old heaters with Dimplex Quantum heaters. The preferred installation uses two power sources - one a 24 hour supply for the heating controls and the other so supply the bricks from off peak. There is a different internal cable setup for a single supply. THTC provides these supplies through two meters. In my ignorance I thought moving to one meter would mean one supply. Apparently the wrongly installed Economy 7 meter provides two supplies. 

Does anyone know if Economy 10 is one supply being billed at the different rates depending on time od day. The IHD would tend to support the later as it is happily billing me as per the Economy 10 tariff.

I hope this lengthy post wiil help me and the wider community with your responses.

Pinned Reply By Firedog

You’re not alone. Please see my lengthy reply here:

 

Since this major operation (replacing hundreds of thousands of old RTS meters with smart ones) has only been underway a few weeks, we don’t have much experience of how it’s going. We really only hear in this forum about the ones that go wrong, and not all of those who come here for advice come back to tell us when it all comes right.

Anyway, your situation seems to be very similar to that of the customer I responded to yesterday. In the absence of any information to the contrary, I’m afraid I can’t make any other suggestion. As always, photos would help.

I shouldn’t worry about the power supply to the night storage heaters (NSH). There are indeed two separate supplies, one that is always live (constant) and the other that is only live in offpeak periods (switched). The engineer should have made sure that each NSH is connected to the right circuits. You say your NSH are charging overnight; are their controls active during the day, so you can select ‘comfort’ times and so on? 

Photos, please!

111 replies

Newcomer
October 23, 2024

They haven’t a clue,one phone resulted in being told I can’t possibly have evonomy 10 as that’s a business tariff 🤣

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
October 23, 2024

I’ve already fed that back. It’s being looked into.

Remember that some staff are new and still learning - genius takes time and I’d like to ask that you try to help them along with that. It helps a ton if you do.

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Newcomer
October 23, 2024

They haven’t a clue,one phone resulted in being told I can’t possibly have evonomy 10 as that’s a business tariff 🤣


 

 

 

I’m wondering if I should cancel the installation until the winter is over now 🤔

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
October 23, 2024

They haven’t a clue,one phone resulted in being told I can’t possibly have evonomy 10 as that’s a business tariff 🤣

I’m wondering if I should cancel the installation until the winter is over now 🤔

The House Rules require that I leave that decision to you - I’m not allowed to force your hand.

However, I will advise that as we get closer to RTS Shutdown, there will almost certainly be a mad rush of stragglers, so appointments may get significantly harder to grab before the deadline. Only cancel if you want to take that risk - it may be better to just get it done now while it’s easy.

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Emmanuelle_OVO
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Retired Moderator
October 24, 2024

They haven’t a clue,one phone resulted in being told I can’t possibly have evonomy 10 as that’s a business tariff 🤣

 

I’m wondering if I should cancel the installation until the winter is over now 🤔

 

I wouldn’t advise cancelling the appointment, as Blastoise pointed out it doesn’t mean you’ll have any issues. We’ve seen plenty of community members who’ve had positive experiences. 6 weeks is the industry timeframe for any meter exchange. It doesn't mean it’ll necessarily take 6 weeks for the meter details to be updated. 

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Rank 4
October 29, 2024

Reading all these posts has been informative but also scary!

We had an engineer here last Thursday to fit an Economy 10 (or 7 to begin with) meter.

“Unfortunately” that didn’t work due, he said, due to a weak signal. So we’re back to RTS. (Interesting that he didn’t fully disconnect the RTS meter and then fully fit the new one. Think he was expecting a problem - and not for the first time).

I’ve been in touch with DDC (the network provider for OVO) where an Escalations Analyst! tells me that they’ve checked our postcode coverage (12 miles from Perth) and believe our connectivity should be high. Anyway she has forwarded all the e-mails I sent her to OVO. I’ll wait till Thursday of this week - then I’ll call OVO. I’m not expecting much joy from that call.

I contacted DDC directly rather than OVO on the advice of the engineer who tried to fit the new meter. I’m glad I did that since I wasn’t impressed that OVO just sent me a link to a DDC form when I did call them about the problem.

The bottom line is that my wife is very happy that we didn’t make the change with winter on its way. Think we’ll wait till February at least for the meter change even if there’s a rush of people needing new meters. Maybe by then OVO/DDC will have got their act together. Their act isn’t together right now and I no longer want to be a guinea pig.

 

Firedog
Super User
Super User
October 30, 2024

DDC (the network provider for OVO) … tells me that they’ve checked our postcode coverage (12 miles from Perth) and believe our connectivity should be high.
 

I think you mean DCC, the Data Communications Company. They are responsible for smart meter communications for the whole of Britain, whoever the energy supplier might be. In Scotland, the network is provided by Arqiva and uses Long-Range Radio (LRR) mainly with the necessary aerials mounted on their many TV transmission towers. DCC tells the supplier whether there is likely to be a good signal where you live, and if there is, the supplier will go ahead with the installation. However, local conditions - nearby structures or geographical features, and the location of the meter in relation to the mast, for example - can affect connectivity, and this is probably your situation.
      

OVO just sent me a link to a DDC form when I did call them about the problem.
 

Communication with the smart meter network is DCC’s responsibility - there’s nothing OVO can do about it.
  

Maybe by then OVO/DDC will have got their act together. Their act isn’t together right now …
 

That’s not the problem. OVO will have told DCC that the meter they installed wasn’t able to connect adequately to the network, even though they had been told that connectivity was expected to be good; the ball is then in DCC’s court. They have a few remedies, but they’re not known for acting at warp speed. 

You will have to have a new meter before next summer when the RTS transmitters are eventually switched off anyway. If you don’t get one, there’s no saying how your heating and hot water equipment will behave: it might stay on the same schedule it was on when the RTS closed down, but it might just stay permanently on (expensive!) or permanently off (uncomfortable!). The longer you delay having your meter replaced, the more likely it is that you’ll end up in what might prove to be a nightmare scenario. 

 

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Rank 4
October 30, 2024

Apparently the ball is now in OVO’s court. If I understood correctly (not a natural English speaker at the other end of the phone line) they will resolve the situation with DCC. Might need to wait months. I won't be impressed if I’ll be paying higher rates after RTS switch off. It’s not as if OVO/SSE haven’t known about this issue for years. Their problem, they’d better get it fixed. There must be 20+ others close to me who will this problem. (We’re within 2 miles of Auchterarder - so not up a mountain).

Shads_OVO
Retired Moderator
Retired Moderator
October 31, 2024

Hi @Sandy42,

 

I’m sorry to hear that you’re experiencing this. 

 

I can see our forum volunteer has already given some good advice here.

 

Have you managed to get in touch with the team yet? Please keep us updated.

Rank 4
October 31, 2024

Been in touch with OVO per my last post.

Also, initially, with DCC.

Not sure who Shads_OVO is referring to as “the team”.