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Nov 28, 2020 7:58 PM UTC

Updated on 13/10/26 by Chris_OVO

 

Unfortunately, it’s not usually possible to downgrade from a smart meter back to a traditional meter, except in very specific exceptional circumstances. Even in those cases, downgrading is extremely expensive and not usually worth the cost.

 

The only valid use-case that I know of right now, is if you need to switch from a Single-Phase Supply to a Three-Phase Supply. This is only likely if you have a need for a lot of electricity (most people don’t).

 

I’m sorry that this isn’t the answer you might have hoped for, but there's no longer any stocks left with any supplier to enable downgrades.

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Blastoise186
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Super User
Nov 28, 2020 7:58 PM UTC

Updated on 13/10/26 by Chris_OVO

 

Unfortunately, it’s not usually possible to downgrade from a smart meter back to a traditional meter, except in very specific exceptional circumstances. Even in those cases, downgrading is extremely expensive and not usually worth the cost.

 

The only valid use-case that I know of right now, is if you need to switch from a Single-Phase Supply to a Three-Phase Supply. This is only likely if you have a need for a lot of electricity (most people don’t).

 

I’m sorry that this isn’t the answer you might have hoped for, but there's no longer any stocks left with any supplier to enable downgrades.

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Blastoise186
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Jan 9, 2023 1:50 PM UTC

Nope, Hildebrand are a completely separate company from all suppliers including OVO and British Gas. They only manufacture In-Home Displays and similar devices that let you monitor usage and do cool stuff with it. They’re not an energy supplier themselves and probably won’t be planning on ever being one.

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Newcomer
Jan 9, 2023 3:14 PM UTC

Right, got a reply. Advised to install Bright app and veryfy my account which has been done. Entered my meter details and still it wont connect. Im now waiting for the next advice from Hildebrand. 

Blastoise186
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Jan 9, 2023 4:19 PM UTC

Nice. They’ll be able to see what’s happening from here.

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Newcomer
Jan 15, 2023 8:07 AM UTC

I'm afraid you are being lied too here.  In fact you do have a legal right to get a smart meter removed you just have to pay for it.  Other energy suppliers are quoting £350 for the job.  It seems ovo like tellibg their customers lies as well as pressuring them into accepting smart meters.  I can give you all good reasons not to have them as well.  The meters are only as safe as the software engineers that develop the code for and around them.  I know people that worked on the project and correct their work every day and I also know how much ovo pay their software engineers and they are far from the best.  Take your chances if you want but I wouldnt allow one in any property I own.

Blastoise186
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Super User
Jan 15, 2023 8:35 AM UTC

If you’re going to make such wild claims like that, you’d better be ready to back them up.

OVO cannot install their own code onto the meters themselves - the meters will only run code signed by the manufacturer. Anything else gets rejected.

The metrology and bootloader firmware are also locked in, so it’s impossible to change those.

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Newcomer
Jan 15, 2023 9:11 AM UTC

Ovo don't need to install their own software on the smart meter.  They need to be in control of their own systems that control the smart meters remotely which can do things such as remote shut you off  or put you onto prepay  No system has yet been written that is 100% secure and ovo programmers arent the best.  There you go my claims all backed up.

Blastoise186
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Jan 15, 2023 9:18 AM UTC

Incorrect. OVO’s billing platform is built by Kaluza, not OVO. And there’s another layer between OVO and DCC which OVO didn’t build - and it’s that layer which actually does the heavy lifting.

You clearly haven’t done the research. Try again and you’ll soon find out why.

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Newcomer
Jul 31, 2023 6:46 AM UTC

It IS possible to downgrade however Ovo don’t want you to, I asked in November 2022 and was refused, after a deadlock letter I took Ovo to the energy ombudsman who after 4 weeks agreed that it should be my choice as to what equipment I have in MY home, Ovo could not cite any legal reasons for the smart meter which was causing interference with zigbee devices on our network, our house is automated with smart bulbs and other devices that use the same technology as the home area network the meters create. 
 

it’s taken almost 8 months for Ovo to finally send sms to return the meters to their previous state by installing traditional meters along the way they did try to wriggle out of the install by telling me they were putting the meters into dumb mode but that wasn’t the decision from the energy ombudsman, happy to say I now have my normal meters as of this last Thursday and I can put this whole charade behind me

Blastoise186
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Jul 31, 2023 8:29 AM UTC

ZigBee uses Channel Agility. Your ZigBee stuff should be capable of moving out of the way of the ZigBee HAN used by Smart Meters. It’s well known that the ZigBee HAN will move out of the way to avoid other stuff.

This feels more like one or more of your other ZigBee devices was misbehaving, or you’ve just got so much of the stuff that it can’t cope. You may find Matter or Z-Wave more reliable.

What you experienced may just be a symptom of a wider (and probably unresolved) issue with your ZigBee devices in your specific environment. I’d recommend reviewing it and seeing about making changes to reduce compatibility issues.

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