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October 3, 2023

We tried everything to reduce our usage but still didn't meet the Power Move target, any hints and tips?

  • October 3, 2023
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I did ask this question of OVO but never saw an answer.

My wife and I thought about our energy usage a great deal, we took all the steps to save within the period 4-7pm. To be fair, we went over the top and switched almost every thing off, all that was running was the fridge x2 and the TV.  It was a bit cold but we wrapped up as the heating was even turned off. It was a fruitless exercise. We never got below 18% of the daily target. I wasn’t going to use more energy in the rest of the day just to hit a target for what was quite a small recompense. I have signed up this time just in case by a miracle we hit the minutely sized increase in the %. We will just continue to be aware of our usage and our environmental obligations to try. I am sorry to sound so cynical but did see it as one big marketing exercise. Interested to see how others get on. We are a 4 bed household, 2 adults. Our average monthly bill is £80, the house was empty for a whole month and the bill was still £44. So you can see how this is almost impossible to achieve.

Pinned Reply By waltyboy

Yes, it’s really disheartening if you try hard and can’t quite make that crucial 4-7 segment count. I did do it in September and am looking forward to the October challenge! There’ve been some great suggestions on this forum re the precise measures people take.

 

My wife and I have rather an old PV system (10 years) but it’s still going strong, but it’s not big (nominally 3.2, but more like 2.6 kW): here in Sunderland we’re lucky at this time of year to generate a total of 4 or 5 kWh daily, maybe 700 Watts an hour if it’s really sunny, and that daily total will decrease to around 1 to 2 in December/January. But even so we’re really rigorous about trying to use heavy stuff during daylight hours; we’re both pensioners, so it’s easier for us than most folk, I know.

 

What I did do was get a small (24volt 100AH) LiFePo4 battery a year or so ago, and, boy, what a difference that makes! Yes it’s expensive to buy, but by charging the battery with a relatively simple variable amp charger (it can be manually set at anything up to 11 Amps) during daylight, even if the grid has to provide any shortfall, I run the house completely off the battery, between 1600 and 0800 hrs. In the summer it’s a much shorter night, only working between 2200 and 0500. That’s one small chest freezer, a medium ‘fridge/freezer combination, and all the other usual modern paraphernalia that are always on. To anybody who’s got solar panels, I would heartily recommend a battery…obviously not just for the relatively insignificant (for many people, certainly when contemplating a capital outlay of hundreds of pounds) financial returns of this particular incentive, but over the years you will notice the difference. And in fine weather we’re exporting a lot of our surplus rooftop generation anyway, which always annoyed me!

 

In our relatively small mid-terrace, for two oldies like us our average daily (24hr) electricity usage is very low, only around 3kWh, with average daily purchase from the grid of 0.15 kW in summer rising to  1.5 kW per 24 hours in mid-winter, so for us it’s doable with the battery to use very little grid at night. But we each have iPads, the house has 5 interlinked mains alarms, the usual boiler and room stats and router all the background stuff and lighting (LED) etc, but we rarely use our electric oven or air fryer or microwave or dishwasher or washing machine (never for those last two items!) or our electric chainsaw, (and we never use a tumble dryer, and can’t afford changing to an EV just yet) or outside bright sunny weather.  We’ve been able to afford this small battery only in the last year or so, but for anybody who can find the pennies (or who actually has a battery now and can time it to run the house between 4-7) it’s worth asking the advice of a specialist installer or doing a bit of research yourself.

 

For small users like me this OVO incentive is a real boon, and I’m grateful for it: never thought I’d see the day when I admitted being grateful to an energy company!! But I am, actually, as it’s the first time ever that we have ever had a little bit of control and a concrete financial incentive for attempting to shift usage out of peak hours. 
 

good luck this month everyone!…

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GilDeanAuthor
Rank 5
October 13, 2023

We are two adults living in a four bedroom house like yours and we seem to be able to get below 6%.

We only have one fridge and apart from the light being on in the room we are sitting in and perhaps a digital radio, everything else is turned off.

No deep freezers no TV which is a killer for power move.

Gas central heating in the winter all cooking on the gas hob

After the tenner bonus last month our total gas and electric bill was 40 quid.

So we certainly aren't gaming the system by using large quantities of electricity.

We gave up, too much effort for not much return. 

Nukecad
Super User
Super User
October 14, 2023

I have noticed from various threads/posts on this forum that if you cook using gas then you are probably going to struggle to meet the target.

It's the moving of cooking by electricity out of the 3 hours that appears to have the biggest effect, so if you don't cook with electricity then what else is there to move?

Electric kettle? Boil a pan on the gas instead- but still use the electric kettle outside of the 3 hours to keep that usage up.

Personally all my cooking is electric and so I'm finding that just cooking outside of the 3 hours easily meets the target for me. (It's my first time on Power Move so I am monitoring it daily using my own spreadsheet (not the one posted elsewhere)).

Most days this month I have been below 6% just by cooking earlier/later. If I cook within the 3 hours (at weekend) then I miss the target - BUT:

A small tip for those who do cook with electricity and who like to eat between 4 and 7. - I did a trial ysterday and made chicken and vegetable rice for my evening meal. I cooked it from scratch in the afternoon, microwaved a chicken thigh, boiled the rice and veg, put it all to one side. Then at about 6pm I chopped the cooked meat into the cooked rice/veg and used the microwave to re-heat it all. 4 minutes of microwave use in the 3 peak hours didn't affect the target percentage by much at all (the actual cooking had been outside those hours). The same technique could be used on anything microwaveable. Of course that does rely on you being at home to cook things in the afternoon.

I said, Hey - Watts going on.
Firedog
Super User
Super User
October 14, 2023

A couple of comments:

When you check your usage (kWh, not cost) for the target period, have a look at what you’re using during the three quietest hours of the night as well. This will tell you what your ‘background’ usage level is (unless you have, say, an immersion heater that heats up during the night). Any difference between the two figures is what you could potentially dispense with, apart perhaps from lighting.

Kettles, toasters, microwaves and - worst of all - electric showers are killers - don’t use them between 4 and 7.

Talking of showers, many bathrooms have an extractor fan that works when the light is switched on and for a few minutes after it’s switched off. Check your IHD to see just how much it’s consuming - you may be surprised.

Fridges and freezers have to work harder as the room they’re in gets warmer, as it will during the afternoon in most houses (unless the freezer is in an outhouse, say). Again, this can make a significant difference, especially where older, less ‘efficient’ appliances are concerned. 

Many others have pointed out that, because the scheme ignores weekends, any essential weekend usage that could be moved to a weekday will improve the target percentage if it’s shifted to a weekday outside of the target hours. Do the weekly wash on Friday evening or Monday morning instead on on Saturday; the same with hoovering and any other power-gobbling activity that you might normally do at the weekend but could move to sometime during the week, just outside of the 4-7 window. You’ll have a more peaceful weekend and possibly a £15 carrot at the end of the month to compensate for that weekday housework.

 

Noel | I have no official status; I'm just a volunteer who comes here to help other customers. My gear: Aclara SGM 1416-B Electricity-only E7 meter; Chameleon IHD3-PPMID-AAA | It may look as if I know what I’m talking about, but don’t let that fool you. |
Emmanuelle_OVO
Retired Moderator
Retired Moderator
October 16, 2023

Hey @GilDean,

 

Really great advice given here by waltyboy! 

 

Were I you, I’d be keen to examine each of the six half-hourly slots in your 4-7 segment (i.e. 4.00 to 4.30, 4.30 to 5.00 etc, up to and including 6.30 to 7.00) for Mon and Tue 2nd and 3rd Oct in your usage stats in your OVO account, and render them as a percentage of your overall usage for those two days. Keep doing this every few days (or even every day) for all the weekdays in October. After all, the stats won’t lie! Or they shouldn’t!  And we’re still early enough in the month to catch any strange anomalies. 
 

 

I’d love for us to get to the bottom of this!

Renewable Energy? Big Fan.
GilDeanAuthor
Rank 5
October 16, 2023

Hey @GilDean,

 

Really great advice given here by waltyboy! 

 

Were I you, I’d be keen to examine each of the six half-hourly slots in your 4-7 segment (i.e. 4.00 to 4.30, 4.30 to 5.00 etc, up to and including 6.30 to 7.00) for Mon and Tue 2nd and 3rd Oct in your usage stats in your OVO account, and render them as a percentage of your overall usage for those two days. Keep doing this every few days (or even every day) for all the weekdays in October. After all, the stats won’t lie! Or they shouldn’t!  And we’re still early enough in the month to catch any strange anomalies. 
 

 

I’d love for us to get to the bottom of this!

 

Thank you for the advice above. I feel that the effort involved to save a few pounds is just too much. We have saved more than that by looking at our overall usage.

We will  just live our lives doing what we want when we want , whilst looking at our environmental responsibilities as a couple as an overall commitment and not just between 4-7pm on weekdays.

 

Newcomer
October 18, 2023

Hi Gildean, sorry for the slight hijack but I'd love your monthly bill. We are a 2 bed, 2 adult house , with tons of insulation, triple glazing etc & pay £180 a month! I just had the old cavity insulation replaced with latest tech so hope that will make a difference!

How on earth are you.paying £180 a month we are 3 bed semi, 2 people living here we pay £70 a month, and been advised to reduce to £5 a month as in credit. We went on to the fixed rate in July.

Jeffus
Rank 20
Rank 20
October 18, 2023

Hi Gildean, sorry for the slight hijack but I'd love your monthly bill. We are a 2 bed, 2 adult house , with tons of insulation, triple glazing etc & pay £180 a month! I just had the old cavity insulation replaced with latest tech so hope that will make a difference!

How on earth are you.paying £180 a month we are 3 bed semi, 2 people living here we pay £70 a month, and been advised to reduce to £5 a month as in credit. We went on to the fixed rate in July.

Hi @Merryharry 

I haven't read all the posts. 

£180 - Looking at the post from @Will R  it sounds like it includes heating so may include gas or electric heating perhaps. I obviously don't know. Using the revised Ofgem Typical Domestic Consumption Values and dual fuel, the average customer now pays £152.83 a month

Do you mind me asking what your £70 includes? Is that all your energy? 

 

 

 

 

Newcomer
October 18, 2023

I'm getting a little suspicious of these savings. I joined as soon as they were available. I don't charge devices between 4 and 7pm, don't use washing machine, eat before 4pm so no oven used. I made a big effort to cut down but received an email telling me the Smart metre didn't take my reading in that time period and therefore I wouldn't be eligible for the saving. I called OVO, they checked my account and saw I had met the saving and refunded me the £15. Now I've had another email saying I'm not on track for the next one. The Smart metre is their equipment and their responsibility to make sure they're working correctly. I don't leave plugs left in the socket I take them out,  no standby, fill my kettle with what I want, one cup or two cups, lights are never left on in rooms not being used. Everything they suggest I have done,  so I'm getting suspicious. I'm not only participating in this for the personal saving but also for not wasting resources. 

Newcomer
October 18, 2023

Hi Gildean, sorry for the slight hijack but I'd love your monthly bill. We are a 2 bed, 2 adult house , with tons of insulation, triple glazing etc & pay £180 a month! I just had the old cavity insulation replaced with latest tech so hope that will make a difference!

How on earth are you.paying £180 a month we are 3 bed semi, 2 people living here we pay £70 a month, and been advised to reduce to £5 a month as in credit. We went on to the fixed rate in July.

Hi @Merryharry 

I haven't read all the posts. 

£180 - Looking at the post from @Will R  it sounds like it includes heating so may include gas or electric heating perhaps. I obviously don't know. Using the revised Ofgem Typical Domestic Consumption Values and dual fuel, the average customer now pays £152.83 a month

Do you mind me asking what your £70 includes? Is that all your energy? 

 

 

 

 

Yes gas and electric, don't use gas in the summer, and cut back on electric use, in the summer, which is why now I can't cut back any more :( so now penalised for trying to save between 4 and 7:(

October 18, 2023

I for one can promise you that it is possible, even if you have already stripped your energy consumption back to bare basics. My daily electricity spend is currently averaging 30p a day, so I have very little to work with in terms of moving use away from the 4-7 slot, but I am still hitting the target with plenty to spare.