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October 3, 2023

We tried everything to reduce our usage but still didn't meet the Power Move target, any hints and tips?

  • October 3, 2023
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I did ask this question of OVO but never saw an answer.

My wife and I thought about our energy usage a great deal, we took all the steps to save within the period 4-7pm. To be fair, we went over the top and switched almost every thing off, all that was running was the fridge x2 and the TV.  It was a bit cold but we wrapped up as the heating was even turned off. It was a fruitless exercise. We never got below 18% of the daily target. I wasn’t going to use more energy in the rest of the day just to hit a target for what was quite a small recompense. I have signed up this time just in case by a miracle we hit the minutely sized increase in the %. We will just continue to be aware of our usage and our environmental obligations to try. I am sorry to sound so cynical but did see it as one big marketing exercise. Interested to see how others get on. We are a 4 bed household, 2 adults. Our average monthly bill is £80, the house was empty for a whole month and the bill was still £44. So you can see how this is almost impossible to achieve.

Pinned Reply By waltyboy

Yes, it’s really disheartening if you try hard and can’t quite make that crucial 4-7 segment count. I did do it in September and am looking forward to the October challenge! There’ve been some great suggestions on this forum re the precise measures people take.

 

My wife and I have rather an old PV system (10 years) but it’s still going strong, but it’s not big (nominally 3.2, but more like 2.6 kW): here in Sunderland we’re lucky at this time of year to generate a total of 4 or 5 kWh daily, maybe 700 Watts an hour if it’s really sunny, and that daily total will decrease to around 1 to 2 in December/January. But even so we’re really rigorous about trying to use heavy stuff during daylight hours; we’re both pensioners, so it’s easier for us than most folk, I know.

 

What I did do was get a small (24volt 100AH) LiFePo4 battery a year or so ago, and, boy, what a difference that makes! Yes it’s expensive to buy, but by charging the battery with a relatively simple variable amp charger (it can be manually set at anything up to 11 Amps) during daylight, even if the grid has to provide any shortfall, I run the house completely off the battery, between 1600 and 0800 hrs. In the summer it’s a much shorter night, only working between 2200 and 0500. That’s one small chest freezer, a medium ‘fridge/freezer combination, and all the other usual modern paraphernalia that are always on. To anybody who’s got solar panels, I would heartily recommend a battery…obviously not just for the relatively insignificant (for many people, certainly when contemplating a capital outlay of hundreds of pounds) financial returns of this particular incentive, but over the years you will notice the difference. And in fine weather we’re exporting a lot of our surplus rooftop generation anyway, which always annoyed me!

 

In our relatively small mid-terrace, for two oldies like us our average daily (24hr) electricity usage is very low, only around 3kWh, with average daily purchase from the grid of 0.15 kW in summer rising to  1.5 kW per 24 hours in mid-winter, so for us it’s doable with the battery to use very little grid at night. But we each have iPads, the house has 5 interlinked mains alarms, the usual boiler and room stats and router all the background stuff and lighting (LED) etc, but we rarely use our electric oven or air fryer or microwave or dishwasher or washing machine (never for those last two items!) or our electric chainsaw, (and we never use a tumble dryer, and can’t afford changing to an EV just yet) or outside bright sunny weather.  We’ve been able to afford this small battery only in the last year or so, but for anybody who can find the pennies (or who actually has a battery now and can time it to run the house between 4-7) it’s worth asking the advice of a specialist installer or doing a bit of research yourself.

 

For small users like me this OVO incentive is a real boon, and I’m grateful for it: never thought I’d see the day when I admitted being grateful to an energy company!! But I am, actually, as it’s the first time ever that we have ever had a little bit of control and a concrete financial incentive for attempting to shift usage out of peak hours. 
 

good luck this month everyone!…

70 replies

October 4, 2023

Hi MCH59,

Thank you for reminding me, I had forgotten this. 
Hot water is through a Combi boiler, so on demand. Plus the dishwasher at 9pm usually.

So, most of my electricity usage you can see is outside the 4-7pm hours!
 

Baffles me!

Well, if that was me I’d be hiding the kettle and switching the boiler off for three hours ;)

… I notice you don’t mention a kettle, but they use a surprising amount of energy even if you only boil a single cup of water (in fact I worked out that the kettle accounts for almost 25% of my total electricity consumption at this time of year).. .

Rank 5
October 4, 2023

With the above the downside of gas hob/oven is that you’re not using electricity to cook. Those who have electric hobs/ovens consume a fair amount of power outside the 4-7 slot, so this helps with the figures. I myself cook on electric and that’s the main use I try and shift and what helps me hit the target. 

For days when I’m not cooking at home, or just use the microwave, the use pattern is flatter and I run closer/over the target. 

Solar comments - It helps, but doesn’t help. I think part of it is being more aware of wattage and what uses what.  

GilDeanAuthor
Rank 5
October 4, 2023

Hi MCH59

fortunately we don’t drink warm drinks so only use the kettle when we have visitors.!

D

GilDeanAuthor
Rank 5
October 4, 2023

With the above the downside of gas hob/oven is that you’re not using electricity to cook. Those who have electric hobs/ovens consume a fair amount of power outside the 4-7 slot, so this helps with the figures. I myself cook on electric and that’s the main use I try and shift and what helps me hit the target. 

For days when I’m not cooking at home, or just use the microwave, the use pattern is flatter and I run closer/over the target. 

Solar comments - It helps, but doesn’t help. I think part of it is being more aware of wattage and what uses what.  

 hi, we have always cooked with Gas, nature of the houses we have purchased. My electricity bills dropped considerably when I stopped baking home made bread! Cheaper to buy from S/market. D

waltyboy
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October 4, 2023

Hi Dean @GilDean With that usage you describe during your weekday, you’re absolutely right, you should definitely be hitting the 4-7 target handsomely…you’ve shifted all the heavy stuff out of the critical slot completely it looks like. The  showers are electric or off the Combi?  If they’re Combi they won’t make a huge impact, but if they’re electric, they alone would more than compensate for one TV and some lighting in the 4-7 slot. Even if they’re not electric showers, your other heavy machinery outside the 4-7 slot looks more than enough to me to compensate for the relatively small 4-7 usage.

 

Is there some weird consumption during the 4-7 slot that is sneaking under the radar? It would have to be something reasonably big, though. Someone mentioned a kettle (electric). Same for a microwave: a cup of water from cold will take the same amount of kWh to boil no matter what device or method you choose. Is your telly (like our big old Sony in our living room) a big older jobby, with maybe surround sound and various boxes plugged into it? Or is there something you’re doing to relax of an evening that’s so much force of habit that you don’t notice it? Maybe a waffle or toasted sandwich maker or something?!

 

Were I you, I’d be keen to examine each of the six half-hourly slots in your 4-7 segment (i.e. 4.00 to 4.30, 4.30 to 5.00 etc, up to and including 6.30 to 7.00) for Mon and Tue 2nd and 3rd Oct in your usage stats in your OVO account, and render them as a percentage of your overall usage for those two days. Keep doing this every few days (or even every day) for all the weekdays in October. After all, the stats won’t lie! Or they shouldn’t!  And we’re still early enough in the month to catch any strange anomalies. 
 

Bit of detective work required, right enough! It’s possible if you’re using absolutely zilch between say 2200 and 1000 hours you’d be struggling, but with your fridge, freezer and other stuff going on that’s not likely.

 

Let us know how you go on, it’s of great interest to anyone seeking to get to the bottom of this magic 13.5% target!

 

Best of luck…

Walt. 2013: 3.2kW PV East/West + Fronius IG, as at 01 Sep 2026 30 MWh, of which 22 MWh exported. 2023: 2.4kWh LiFePo4 battery. 2024: Tadö wireless smart stat v3; Electriq split unit 2.6kW AAHP (“air conditioner”). 2026: Hyundai Inster 02 EV.
waltyboy
Rank 8
Rank 8
October 4, 2023

Hi Dean @GilDean OK, sorry I only just noticed your comment re warm drinks!

 

so it’s not the kettle!

 

why did your electricity bill decrease when yiu stopped using your gas cooker to bake bread…am I mistaken in thinking you have a gas cooker?

 

I too love baking bread at home (sourdough) but I can only do it in winter when we have the log burner on, we do a lot of cooking, including “baking” on top of it.

Walt. 2013: 3.2kW PV East/West + Fronius IG, as at 01 Sep 2026 30 MWh, of which 22 MWh exported. 2023: 2.4kWh LiFePo4 battery. 2024: Tadö wireless smart stat v3; Electriq split unit 2.6kW AAHP (“air conditioner”). 2026: Hyundai Inster 02 EV.
GilDeanAuthor
Rank 5
October 4, 2023

Hi Dean @GilDean With that usage you describe during your weekday, you’re absolutely right, you should definitely be hitting the 4-7 target handsomely…you’ve shifted all the heavy stuff out of the critical slot completely it looks like. The  showers are electric or off the Combi?  If they’re Combi they won’t make a huge impact, but if they’re electric, they alone would more than compensate for one TV and some lighting in the 4-7 slot. Even if they’re not electric showers, your other heavy machinery outside the 4-7 slot looks more than enough to me to compensate for the relatively small 4-7 usage.

 

Is there some weird consumption during the 4-7 slot that is sneaking under the radar? It would have to be something reasonably big, though. Someone mentioned a kettle (electric). Same for a microwave: a cup of water from cold will take the same amount of kWh to boil no matter what device or method you choose. Is your telly (like our big old Sony in our living room) a big older jobby, with maybe surround sound and various boxes plugged into it? Or is there something you’re doing to relax of an evening that’s so much force of habit that you don’t notice it? Maybe a waffle or toasted sandwich maker or something?!

 

Were I you, I’d be keen to examine each of the six half-hourly slots in your 4-7 segment (i.e. 4.00 to 4.30, 4.30 to 5.00 etc, up to and including 6.30 to 7.00) for Mon and Tue 2nd and 3rd Oct in your usage stats in your OVO account, and render them as a percentage of your overall usage for those two days. Keep doing this every few days (or even every day) for all the weekdays in October. After all, the stats won’t lie! Or they shouldn’t!  And we’re still early enough in the month to catch any strange anomalies. 
 

Bit of detective work required, right enough! It’s possible if you’re using absolutely zilch between say 2200 and 1000 hours you’d be struggling, but with your fridge, freezer and other stuff going on that’s not likely.

 

Let us know how you go on, it’s of great interest to anyone seeking to get to the bottom of this magic 13.5% target!

 

Best of luck…

Thank you so much for your input trying to stop our output😀

I have just had a quick look at my smart meter for today from 12.00am to 18.00pm on the smart meter. £1.73 on electric which is OVO. GAS is BG £0. 73p. Currently, 2 x TV, Wi-Fi, fridge and freezer on! Maybe need to get rid of my American style fridge/freezer!?

will have a look at usage as you say. Thank you again. Kr Dean

GilDeanAuthor
Rank 5
October 4, 2023

Hi Dean @GilDean OK, sorry I only just noticed your comment re warm drinks!

 

so it’s not the kettle!

 

why did your electricity bill decrease when yiu stopped using your gas cooker to bake bread…am I mistaken in thinking you have a gas cooker?

 

I too love baking bread at home (sourdough) but I can only do it in winter when we have the log burner on, we do a lot of cooking, including “baking” on top of it.

Gas hob, electric oven. Mainly use the top rings. Occasionally use air fryer but outside of 4-7 slot.

waltyboy
Rank 8
Rank 8
October 4, 2023

Hi Dean @GilDean, Inout to reduce output, that’s a good one! But then you’re an author! Sounds interesting, incidentally.

 

But for goodness’ sake, do not use your IHD on the £ settings to get an idea of your usage…set it to kWh instead, as when it’s in money mode it’ll include your daily standing charge of 50p or whatever, totally misleading.  Best of all is to go into your “usage” page on the OVO app or in your account via your browser: that will show you your daily usage figures, half hour by half hour throughout the 24 hour weekday (including the crucial 4-7 segment). It lags reality by a day or so, but it’s the most accurate and the only way to get a real handle on your usage. And it’s your half-hourly smart meter submissions that OVO uses.

 

all the best….

Walt. 2013: 3.2kW PV East/West + Fronius IG, as at 01 Sep 2026 30 MWh, of which 22 MWh exported. 2023: 2.4kWh LiFePo4 battery. 2024: Tadö wireless smart stat v3; Electriq split unit 2.6kW AAHP (“air conditioner”). 2026: Hyundai Inster 02 EV.
October 13, 2023

We are two adults living in a four bedroom house like yours and we seem to be able to get below 6%.

We only have one fridge and apart from the light being on in the room we are sitting in and perhaps a digital radio, everything else is turned off.

No deep freezers no TV which is a killer for power move.

Gas central heating in the winter all cooking on the gas hob

After the tenner bonus last month our total gas and electric bill was 40 quid.

So we certainly aren't gaming the system by using large quantities of electricity.