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October 3, 2023

We tried everything to reduce our usage but still didn't meet the Power Move target, any hints and tips?

  • October 3, 2023
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I did ask this question of OVO but never saw an answer.

My wife and I thought about our energy usage a great deal, we took all the steps to save within the period 4-7pm. To be fair, we went over the top and switched almost every thing off, all that was running was the fridge x2 and the TV.  It was a bit cold but we wrapped up as the heating was even turned off. It was a fruitless exercise. We never got below 18% of the daily target. I wasn’t going to use more energy in the rest of the day just to hit a target for what was quite a small recompense. I have signed up this time just in case by a miracle we hit the minutely sized increase in the %. We will just continue to be aware of our usage and our environmental obligations to try. I am sorry to sound so cynical but did see it as one big marketing exercise. Interested to see how others get on. We are a 4 bed household, 2 adults. Our average monthly bill is £80, the house was empty for a whole month and the bill was still £44. So you can see how this is almost impossible to achieve.

Pinned Reply By waltyboy

Yes, it’s really disheartening if you try hard and can’t quite make that crucial 4-7 segment count. I did do it in September and am looking forward to the October challenge! There’ve been some great suggestions on this forum re the precise measures people take.

 

My wife and I have rather an old PV system (10 years) but it’s still going strong, but it’s not big (nominally 3.2, but more like 2.6 kW): here in Sunderland we’re lucky at this time of year to generate a total of 4 or 5 kWh daily, maybe 700 Watts an hour if it’s really sunny, and that daily total will decrease to around 1 to 2 in December/January. But even so we’re really rigorous about trying to use heavy stuff during daylight hours; we’re both pensioners, so it’s easier for us than most folk, I know.

 

What I did do was get a small (24volt 100AH) LiFePo4 battery a year or so ago, and, boy, what a difference that makes! Yes it’s expensive to buy, but by charging the battery with a relatively simple variable amp charger (it can be manually set at anything up to 11 Amps) during daylight, even if the grid has to provide any shortfall, I run the house completely off the battery, between 1600 and 0800 hrs. In the summer it’s a much shorter night, only working between 2200 and 0500. That’s one small chest freezer, a medium ‘fridge/freezer combination, and all the other usual modern paraphernalia that are always on. To anybody who’s got solar panels, I would heartily recommend a battery…obviously not just for the relatively insignificant (for many people, certainly when contemplating a capital outlay of hundreds of pounds) financial returns of this particular incentive, but over the years you will notice the difference. And in fine weather we’re exporting a lot of our surplus rooftop generation anyway, which always annoyed me!

 

In our relatively small mid-terrace, for two oldies like us our average daily (24hr) electricity usage is very low, only around 3kWh, with average daily purchase from the grid of 0.15 kW in summer rising to  1.5 kW per 24 hours in mid-winter, so for us it’s doable with the battery to use very little grid at night. But we each have iPads, the house has 5 interlinked mains alarms, the usual boiler and room stats and router all the background stuff and lighting (LED) etc, but we rarely use our electric oven or air fryer or microwave or dishwasher or washing machine (never for those last two items!) or our electric chainsaw, (and we never use a tumble dryer, and can’t afford changing to an EV just yet) or outside bright sunny weather.  We’ve been able to afford this small battery only in the last year or so, but for anybody who can find the pennies (or who actually has a battery now and can time it to run the house between 4-7) it’s worth asking the advice of a specialist installer or doing a bit of research yourself.

 

For small users like me this OVO incentive is a real boon, and I’m grateful for it: never thought I’d see the day when I admitted being grateful to an energy company!! But I am, actually, as it’s the first time ever that we have ever had a little bit of control and a concrete financial incentive for attempting to shift usage out of peak hours. 
 

good luck this month everyone!…

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waltyboy
Rank 8
Rank 8
October 3, 2023

Hi @GilDean yes, very satisfying to be making those savings in usage; it is extraordinary how things mount up.  We were amazed at the annual cost of a mains alarm clock when we worked it out! We too have been trying hard over the last few years, but especially since the increase in prices means we’re talking quite large sums of money each month. 

 

I’m not so sure, you know, about folk with solar panels necessarily feeling comfortable about meeting the challenge, there’ve been some recent posts on here saying how difficult they’ve been finding it precisely because they feel solar panels make it more difficult for them (as their grid purchase during daylight is usually lowered by the panels).

 

Whether with panels or without, the key thing I guess is to move as much heavy usage out of the 4-7 slot as we can, and not worry too much about normal background household levels, like heating pumps, routers, ‘fridges and freezers, moderate levels of lighting etc., as, after all, most but not all of those types of background drains will be intermittently running in most of the other 3 hour slots in any 24 hour day: it would be a risky endeavour over a whole month to aim to make the 4-7 slot more economical than the other 3-hour slots just by cutting the minor stuff, which probably automatically happens a lot anyway over the 24 hours when we’re out, asleep, or on holiday. 
 

Good luck with it all!

Walt. 2013: 3.2kW PV East/West + Fronius IG, as at 01 Sep 2026 30 MWh, of which 22 MWh exported. 2023: 2.4kWh LiFePo4 battery. 2024: Tadö wireless smart stat v3; Electriq split unit 2.6kW AAHP (“air conditioner”). 2026: Hyundai Inster 02 EV.
GilDeanAuthor
Rank 5
October 3, 2023

Hi waltyboy,

just had my September usage sent through this afternoon. We were away for part of September, not used tumble drier, no heating and no oven, washing machine used a bit when we got back but outside the hours. Still only achieved 18.42%. It is pointless me even trying to achieve the new 13+%. September was my lowest ever month and I was away!!
I give up, as I did the first time around. I would love OVO to say how many people achieved the target. I see it as a pointless exercise for me to increase my usage at all times of the day, so as to try and achieve something that does not pay much recompense. I will carry on in my own environmental way. D

Rank 2
October 3, 2023

Folks with Solar panels seem to hit the % target. I wonder what the cost v savings v target figures would look like. Is the £15 saving worth it? I am just going to carry on as normal in the new regime we have, not using the oven or tumble dryer too much and probably over the period of the last 12 months have saved more than OVO would have paid me anyway!
 

This challenge is not about reducing overall usage but peak time usage. So not using the oven / dryer doesn't help. Using them out of peak time does . 

We hit every month we have take part. Found it easier in the winter as we use the dryer more especially seeing that it is a condenser dryer and gives out quite alot of heat, so saves on the gas bill a little. 

We now wash and bulk cook using the oven weekdays after 7 which means it frees up our weekends to do other things. We aren't using any more electricity just changing when we use it.

waltyboy
Rank 8
Rank 8
October 3, 2023

Hi @GilDean , that is dispiriting for you right enough. 

While you’re away, of course, your house unfortunately was doing absolutely nothing to reduce your 4-7 usage *relative to* to the rest of your weekday usage.


Only by you physically removing heavy usage (don’t bother about the small stuff that’s going on 24/7, or small stuff like TV and limited lighting) from the  4-7 segment to other weekday slots will you lower the 4-7 segment usage *relative to* and as a percentage of the total for the rest of your weekday hours.

 

What happens during the weekends or on Bank Holidays is of course invisible for the purposes of this incentive. Some folk have suggested moving one or two big weekend activities like a bake or a washload from the weekend to a weekday slot (not 4-7, obvs!) in order to increase the difference between the crucial 4-7 weekday segment and the rest of the weekday slots.

 

Best of luck with it, try a few changes in and around the 4-7 slot with the big stuff like oven and microwave etc., and monitor how it goes for you; work out your running percentages every few days. But don’t sit in the cold and dark during 4-7, it won’t do much for your overall averages and will be miserable for you.

 

All the best…

 

Walt. 2013: 3.2kW PV East/West + Fronius IG, as at 01 Sep 2026 30 MWh, of which 22 MWh exported. 2023: 2.4kWh LiFePo4 battery. 2024: Tadö wireless smart stat v3; Electriq split unit 2.6kW AAHP (“air conditioner”). 2026: Hyundai Inster 02 EV.
Rank 2
October 3, 2023

Hi @GilDean , that is dispiriting for you right enough. 

While you’re away, of course, your house unfortunately was doing absolutely nothing to reduce your 4-7 usage *relative to* to the rest of your weekday usage.


Only by you physically removing heavy usage (don’t bother about the small stuff that’s going on 24/7, or small stuff like TV and limited lighting) from the  4-7 segment to other weekday slots will you lower the 4-7 segment usage *relative to* and as a percentage of the total for the rest of your weekday hours.

 

What happens during the weekends or on Bank Holidays is of course invisible for the purposes of this incentive. Some folk have suggested moving one or two big weekend activities like a bake or a washload from the weekend to a weekday slot (not 4-7, obvs!) in order to increase the difference between the crucial 4-7 weekday segment and the rest of the weekday slots.

 

Best of luck with it, try a few changes in and around the 4-7 slot with the big stuff like oven and microwave etc., and monitor how it goes for you; work out your running percentages every few days. But don’t sit in the cold and dark during 4-7, it won’t do much for your overall averages and will be miserable for you.

 

All the best…

 

Well said. We use a few lights and have our heating on when needed (gas heating so only a little electricity used) between 4 and 7 and we have met the target every time. 

GilDeanAuthor
Rank 5
October 3, 2023

Thank you both. I am only with OVO for electricity not gas.

I have tried all the things you suggest and it still doesn’t help I am afraid. I believed that it was an average over the month, therefore surely me being away would have an effect on the %.  Initially we cut down use of all electricity during those hours, lights off and only one TV on.

it bemuses me how people can achieve the target. I was away for the whole of July. Only 2 fridges and internet on, everything else had the plugs out of the wall, my bill for the month was £44. When we are here full time, say August, it was only £77. So how do I achieve the target?! Thank you both for taking the time to comment on my post. I think we will continue as we are. I pay much less than before the price hikes as it made us think of energy in a different way. We mainly use gas for cooking, so not affected as that is through a different company. Thank you, kind regards Dean

Nukecad
Super User
Super User
October 4, 2023

Being away from home does nothing to meet the 12.5% target.
(PS. it’s increased to 13.5% for the Autunm Challenge, so you may stand a slightly better chance).

The point is that the 3 hours target slot is exactly 12.5% of the day, - so if you are away and the ‘background’ usage is constant then that’s exactly 12.5% of electricity used in those 3 hours.
In other words target wise the percentage is standing still and bang on 12.5%.

Note that having your central heating timer coming on/off is not constant background usage. You tend to have it off overnight - that’s not on  constantly throughout the 24 hrs like say a fridge/freezer is. (You don’t have a timer to turn your fridge/frezer off overnight).

You have to understand that the challenge is not about reducing your usage overall (such as by being away) but reducing your usage during the 3 target hours.

You do that by using ‘non-background’ electricity, cooking, washing, etc. outside of those 3 hours and not using it inside those 3 hours.

I said, Hey - Watts going on.
GilDeanAuthor
Rank 5
October 4, 2023

Hi Nukecad, 

Thank  you for your explanation, I did realise how it was supposed to work.

Please could you explain how I will achieve the target of 13.5% with the following way we currently use our electricity as I am definitely not sure on this.

Morning, Toaster, Fridge Freezer, TV for an hour, wi-fi, washing machine every other day, 2 x showers, charging phone/iPad.

Afternoon, Fridge, Freezer, TV, wi-fi

4pm -7pm, Fridge, Freezer, TV wi-fi

Evening after 7pm, Fridge Freezer TV, 2 lights, 1 x shower.

Our cooking is gas / heating is not on.

The closest I have ever got is 18+%.

Where can I change to get to 13+%?

Thank you

kind regards

Dean

October 4, 2023

Hi Nukecad, 

Thank  you for your explanation, I did realise how it was supposed to work.

Please could you explain how I will achieve the target of 13.5% with the following way we currently use our electricity as I am definitely not sure on this.

Morning, Toaster, Fridge Freezer, TV for an hour, wi-fi, washing machine every other day, 2 x showers, charging phone/iPad.

Afternoon, Fridge, Freezer, TV, wi-fi

4pm -7pm, Fridge, Freezer, TV wi-fi

Evening after 7pm, Fridge Freezer TV, 2 lights, 1 x shower.

Our cooking is gas / heating is not on.

The closest I have ever got is 18+%.

Where can I change to get to 13+%?

Thank you

kind regards

Dean

How do you heat water? Even if it is gas, remember that still uses electricity. Is it on demand or on a clock?

I got down to 10.93% and the only things I changed to achieve that was ensure that I don’t cook, use the kettle of have my laptop and mobile phone on charge between 4pm and 7pm, but then I am a VERY low user of energy and Power Move payments effectively covered almost 30% of my total monthly OVO bill over the last three months. 

GilDeanAuthor
Rank 5
October 4, 2023

Hi MCH59,

Thank you for reminding me, I had forgotten this. 
Hot water is through a Combi boiler, so on demand. Plus the dishwasher at 9pm usually.

So, most of my electricity usage you can see is outside the 4-7pm hours!
 

Baffles me!