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THTC meter - Removal Request

  • January 10, 2024
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Hi folks,

 

I am trying to have a redundant THTC meter removed from my house and OVO seem to be refusing to do this. Can anyone help explain what I should do? Some background info below:

 

We moved to a property in March last year in the west of Scotland. The property has two meters with a THTC setup running storage heaters. We are getting the storage heaters removed in February and an air source heat pump installed. 

 

Once this work has been carried out there will be nothing running from the RadioTelemeter (THTC) meter.

 

I have contacted OVO by phone yesterday to request that this meter be removed once it is no longer in use. The person I spoke with said that OVO would not do this because doing so would stop the other (ordinary) meter working. They weren’t able to explain why this would be the case. After some time on the phone I was told that if I emailed OVO with evidence that the THTC meter would not powering anything then they could arrange for it to be removed. This seemed like a positive outcome although it was not clear why we were initially told in the call that removal wasn’t possible.

 

I sent an email last night attaching the quotes from our electrician and heating engineer for removal of storage heaters and replacement with heat pump etc. I got a positive response this morning:

I am Stephen from account management at OVO energy after reading your email we can go ahead and do that for you but i am going to give you extra information so to proceed with this job there is a charge due to the nature of it I would like to clarify that your okay with that and if you are i can go ahead and get you a price and and book the job for you.

 

Again this seemed positive and I asked Stephen to go ahead and give us a cost. I then had response email from Nahim:

Apologies for the confusion form what Stephan said but as of right now, appointments for removing THTC meters aren't available. We appreciate you gave us confirmation the property's heating system is no longer dependant.

However we are working on a new meter type that'll basically replace the current two meters and you'll get one meter. The meter will reveal at Spring and you'll get an email when your free meter upgrade is ready

 

As far as I understand it the ‘new meter type’ mentioned has been in development for years and has been repeatedly delayed. I have little to no confidence that it will arrive in spring as promised above. It isn’t clear why we should be expected to wait for this.

 

Ontop of that our experience from speaking to neighbours and friends locally is that smart meters are useless in this (rural) area since they are not able to connect to a radio mast for communication. Any smart meters fitted simply operate as ‘dumb’ meters in this area.

 

Can anyone give us some hope that it is possible to get the redundant THTC meter removed as we have requested? Is there any technical reason why this wouldn’t be possible?

 

Failing that at least any good reason why we should have to wait for the new meter to be developed and rolled out? It seems in this instance that whilst waiting we’d have headaches if we wanted to switch supplier etc because we’d have a strange setup with a redundant meter and two MPAN numbers associated with the property. This could go on indefinitely since the new meters are not yet launched.

 

Below is a photograph of our current setup incase this is useful:

 

 

We’d really appreciate any help on this!

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Best answer by Nukecad

They may well ask for consumer feedback later; once those initial proposals have been refined by industry discussions.

However at the moment that isn’t what they want or need.

So it’s best not to clog up their email with unwanted stuff that just takes up their time to deal with.
(There’s a word we all use for unwanted emails - spam).

Wait and see if they do ask for consumer feedback/opinion, but TBH there may not be time.
The clock is counting down and contingency plans need to be in place for when it reaches zero in June.

240 replies

Newcomer
July 26, 2024

Update on my previous message…

Four months ago I made a complaint about my request to have THTC removed from my home.

I’ve received no reply, so chased yesterday. I finally got an email…

In it, the advisor stated, "in order to raise a complaint, we do require you to be on the phone so we can have the best understanding of the complaint."

She then added, "don't worry, everything I would have discussed on the phone, I have included in the email below!"

So, are you going to call me – or not? This is confusing.

In my complaint letter I clearly stated that I want to completely remove THTC, not replace the THTC meter with an equivalent THTC Smart meter, whenever it becomes available.

However, the advisor's response, sadly predictably, was, "we are looking to replace them in the future."

Aaargh!!!! Another example of OVO not bothering to read the message! How hard is this to understand?

She also mentioned in the email that OVO can put me on a single rate tariff (at the higher of the two THTC tariffs) "so you are not overcharged."

What does "so you are not overcharged" even relate to? This makes no sense to me.

So, OVO’s interim solution to a problem they fail to grasp is to charge me more for the same electricity? Why would I want that? How is it even relevant to the conversation?

I'd like to follow up with the advisor, but there's no reference number, no complaint reference, no case number provided.

There's no telephone number other than the standard Customer Care number.

There’s no email address other than the general hello@ovoenergy.com.

So, I'm right back to square one.

Has the complaint been raised and recorded? I have no idea. Is it now closed? Are you going to call me? Where do we stand with this?

I haven’t a clue.

This is the real-life experience of hundreds, if not thousands, of OVO customers.

It’s not good enough.

@Emmanuelle_OVO  You mentioned that If I’m not contacted in August, to reach out to the forum team & you’ll ask about this internally for me.

By now, you’ll clearly understand that I’m not looking to replace my THTC meter but to remove the THTC meter. So, as I am not dependant on the new THTC meters to resolve my problem there is no need to wait to see if I am contacted in August. This can all happen now.

Can you please reach out internally as you suggest, and get this expedited?

Many thanks.

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
July 26, 2024

Howdy!

Sorry for the gate crash, but a new Forum Guide has just been released that may interest those who follow this thread. Please find it linked below.

If you have any questions, feel free to post them there.

Thank you!

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Shads_OVO
Retired Moderator
Retired Moderator
July 29, 2024

Hi @monster9,

 

I’m really sorry for the issues you’ve been experiencing, that’s definitely not the experience we want for our customers.

 

I’m going to have our Forum_Support team reach out to you so they can help you further with this.

 

Look out for a private message here soon: https://forum.ovoenergy.com/inbox/overview

Newcomer
July 29, 2024

Hi @Shads_OVO 

The link you posted ( https://forum.ovoenergy.com/inbox/overview ) just gives me a “Page Not Found” error???

 

 

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
July 29, 2024

I can fix that! Try this one instead: https://forum.ovoenergy.com/inbox/overview which fixes a misplaced dot in the link.

Oh, and sorry if you’re getting tons of emails from the Forum at the moment. We’re doing some maintenance to update RTS threads - apologies if it gets noisy!

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Newcomer
July 29, 2024

Thanks @Blastoise186 that worked.

Update is “we'll be looking into this for you. I'll be back as soon as I have an update for you.”

 

Shads_OVO
Retired Moderator
Retired Moderator
July 30, 2024

Hi @monster9,

 

Hopefully the Forum_Support team will be able to help further with this. Please keep us updated.

Newcomer
August 7, 2024

An update on my situation…

I previously sought advice on this forum and elsewhere regarding my request to replace my THTC meter with a regular smart meter and get off the THTC tariff. I raised a case and also a formal complaint.

Last week, I was advised to "contact us to have the meters either removed or upgraded to smart anytime."

Fantastic news, right?

Except...

Today, I was contacted by an Advanced Complaints Advisor (or someone with a similar title) who informed me that I cannot have a smart meter. Apparently, there's an "infrastructure problem."

When asked for details, the advisor couldn't explain the specific issue, but the bottom line is I can't get a smart meter.

I suspect the problem is related to the RTS signal, or its replacement the “Smart Metering Wide Area Network”, which I’m guessing isn't available at my location.

This likely means any new smart meter wouldn’t be able to send readings to Ovo.

If that's the case, why can't I get a smart meter, go onto a single tariff, and manually submit readings?

If I understand correctly, if your home is outside the Smart Metering Wide Area Network, you're out of luck. No smart meter for you.

The advisor mentioned that the target for resolving this "infrastructure problem" is June 2025.

To tell the truth, I’ve had so many variations in the information I’m being supplied with I have no idea who or what to believe anymore.

In the meantime, I'm stuck with a tariff I don't want, paying significantly higher prices than I could get elsewhere in the market, and with no option to change suppliers because I have two meters.

BTW, the neighbour up the road has a smart meter. It works just fine.

Time to contact the Ombudsman?

Newcomer
August 7, 2024

Howdy!

Sorry for the gate crash, but a new Forum Guide has just been released that may interest those who follow this thread. Please find it linked below.

If you have any questions, feel free to post them there.

Thank you!

As a new user of the forum, can I suggest that this guide is made available to the customer support teams so they can give factual answers not the nonsense I was given today and in all my earlier phone calls. With this and reading the rest of this thread, I now have a better understanding of why it’s not easy to just whip out THTC and replace with a single smart meter so that I can switch supplier…

I would also suggest that the customer support draw attention to the forum?

Newcomer
August 7, 2024

Just spoke to someone in Squad70.

He tells me that right now (and for the foreseeable future) NO THTC meters are currently being replaced because of a technical issue that he could not describe to me.

He said 100,000 people either are (i.e. have a problem with their smart meter) or will be potentially affected (i.e. won’t get a smart meter).

So, now I’m unsure whether I can’t get a meter because I’m out of the Smart Metering Wide Area Network or because of this other, unspecified problem?

It’ll be fixed by June 2025.