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Engineer jobs with OVO - A technical guide to the type of work we can arrange and issues which might delay the job being completed

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Engineer jobs with OVO - A technical guide to the type of work we can arrange and issues which might delay the job being completed
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Updated on 13/09/23 by Abby_OVO

 

Looking to maintain a faulty meter or get a new smart meter installed but our engineer wasn’t able to? This guide runs through some technical issues which might help explain why this happened.

 

General issues

 

Broken meter box


The meter box is normally installed by the DNO/transporter following either the installation of a new supply or alteration of an existing one. Once the work is completed the meter box is classified as being the responsibility of the property owner.

Most engineers will not install a meter in a meter box that is missing a door or is not secure or in good repair. Regarding gas supplies: Under paras 3 and 5 of Schedule 2B, the Gas Code of the Gas Act 1986, the consumer is responsible for taking ‘proper care of the meter’ and ensuring the gas meter is adequately housed either within a building comprised in the premises or ….‘in a separate meter house or other accommodation outside a building comprised in the premises which is approved by the transporter…'

Some DNOs/transporters can provide (at a cost) a service to maintain your meter box.


Meters too far apart


Why is this a problem?


If your gas and electricity meters are 10 meters or more apart from one another, it is unlikely the HAN signal will stretch this far and this would lead to a non communicative gas meter. 


How do we resolve this?

 

  • For S1 meters, we might be able to send a relay in the post. Reach out to our Support Team and be ready to confirm if: the meters are in meter boxes/cupboards; whether you in a house/flat; and the distance between the meters. 
  • For S2, we currently have no way to boost the signal between the meters. You can choose to move the meters closer to one another via your Gas Transporter or DNO, bearing in mind that there may be a cost for this.


Meter higher than 6 foot from the ground

 

Why is this a problem?


The current meter can only be reached via a ladder which causes a safety issue for the engineer.  
 
How do we resolve this?


We’re unable to resolve this unless you’re able to have the meter moved down by the DNO or transporter. 

 


Poor mobile signal near the meter


Why is this an issue?


If you have no phone signal anywhere near your electricity meter, we won’t be able to install a smart meter, as the meter wouldn’t have smart functionality without this coverage.

How do we resolve this?


If the meter has been installed and has no communication, then there might be further steps we could do to solve the issue. See this topic on a meter health check for Secure smart meters, and this topic on a meter health check for Aclara or Honeywell smart meters.

 


Electricity technical information

 

 

Armored cables


What are they?

Armored or SWA (steel wire armored) cables are often used in blocks of flats, sometimes around a red link. If they need to be installed, the owner of the building (or 'Building Network Operator' (BNO)) would be responsible for doing this and it can be expensive. 

 


Concentric cables


What are they?


These are older style cables that have a live, neutral and earth within them. Sometimes our engineers may come across these during install.

Can we work on these?


Yes - BUT we cannot exchange these into your consumer unit. This means we would either:

  • Install an isolator and ask you to get an electrician to upgrade the remaining cabling

OR

  • Attend the job at the same time as the electrician.

 


Leaking bitumen


What is it?


Bitumen is a liquid which can be found in the mains service cable and cut out within a property. Sometimes when an issue arises on these equipment, bitumen may leak.

What should you do?

 

  • If you find leaking bitumen and it is hot, please call your Distribution Network Operator (DNO) as soon as possible to report this, as it is deemed dangerous. If an engineer is on site and notices leaking hot bitumen, then they will call the DNO on your behalf. The DNO should be attending within 4 hours to rectify the issue and make it safe.
  • If you find previously leaked bitumen and it is now cold, then this still needs to be reported to the DNO but it is not deemed to be immediately dangerous. Likewise, if an engineer is on site and finds this, they should be able to continue with their work (meter exchange, meter maintenance) and then report it via their job notes to us, who will then forward onto the DNO. This will be categorised as a 'C02' network action code and the DNO have 6 months to attend the property to investigate and resolve.


Looped neutral

 

What are they?


A looped neutral is similar to a shared neutral but it is when you have two or more meters next to each other in a property. Instead of being wired up to individual neutral blocks, the neutral is wired in series from meter to meter so they all share the same neutral and it is wired from meter to meter.

 


Can we work on these?


No. Unfortunately in these circumstances there isn't anything we can do as every property connected to the neutral will need to be de-energised, it also requires the consent from each meter supplier for the work to go ahead. If you requires a meter exchange, we recommend you contact the DNO as they may be able to separate the neutrals, though this would be a complex job. 
 

 

Protective Multiple Earthing (PME)


What is PME?


PME is a type of earthing from the cutout to the electric meter. It is generally installed as standard at the vast majority of new electricity connections. Some older supplies do not have it and may need to get it installed. 

Who is responsible for the PME?

 

  • Supplier - As the supply we can only check to see if a PME connection is still live
  • DNO - Only the DNO can install or remove a PME system, so if you need to have PME installed/removed, please contact your DNO directly


Pyro cables

 

What are they?


A type of electrical cable made from copper conductors inside a copper sheath, insulated by powder. They were used as they were very fire retardant.


Where can they be found on the metering system?

 

  • Between the cutout to the meter
  • Between terminals 4 and 5 on the meter
  • After the meter

 

What will happen if I have pyro cables?

 

  1. Engineer attends a job and finds pyro cables on site
  2. Engineer must then call a Senior Meter Technician (SMT) for advice and take photos, and aborts the job - this is because the cables are easily broken, and could leave you off supply
  3. We will arrange for an SMT to carry out a site survey and the exchange

 


Residual Current Device (RCD)

 

What are they?


A life-saving device which is designed to prevent you from getting a fatal electric shock if you touch something live, such as a bare wire. It can also provide some protection against electrical fires. They’re found on the consumer unit and should be present in all new builds after July 2015.


Who can install them?


An electrician can install these if they are required as they are fitted within the consumer unit (fuse box).

 

Red link

 

What are they?


A red link is often installed in blocks of flats with a communal cutout supply. It allows the supply to be de-energised without affecting any other supplies. In practice, it acts as another cutout.

 

If a red link is present…


A job should not be aborted because red link is already installed at the property. The engineer should be able to work on it without issues.

 

The maintenance of a red link is the responsibility of the Building Network Operator BNO (an organisation that owns the electricity distribution with a multiple occupancy building).
 

If a red Link needs to be installed?


We would advise you to contact the owner of the building (or 'Building Network Operator' (BNO)) to organise for a qualified electrician to have this installed.



When would a red link need to be installed?


In blocks of flats were the Bemco main fuses sit in the basement and there is no local means of isolation to work on the meter safely.



Can it be used to solve shared cutout issues?
 

We’re afraid not.

 

Shared fuse / Shared neutral

 


What are they?


A shared fuse/neutral is when either the fuse or the neutral block is shared between two or more supplies. In order to safely install a meter we need to de-energise the property - this requires us to remove the fuse and neutral block to the associated property.

Can we work on these?


Yes - BUT we will need you and your neighbour (or who shares the fuse/neutral with) to give permission to de-energise both properties. We will also require access to the associated property to run some safety checks after re-energising the property, meaning both you and your neighbour need to be present during the job.

 

Storage heaters / underfloor heating

 


Why does this cause an abort?


In order to work properly, night storage heaters and underfloor heating require a 5-port meter. The 5th port/terminal controls when these appliances turn on. Otherwise, these appliances would either be constantly on or constantly off.

How do we resolve this?


If a job was aborted due to these being present, you can re-book the appointment as we now offer a 5-port smart meter.



Gas technical information

 

 

Double flexi/anaconda pipes


What are they?


Normally, gas meters have a flexi inlet pipe and a solid outlet pipe - see the image below:

 

 

On some supplies, the solid outlet will be replaced by a flexi outlet, meaning there is 'double flexi' pipework. Double flexi should only be present on semi-concealed meter set-ups where there are space restrictions (they are unsafe on wall-mounted set-ups). 
 

 

Electrical earth bonding


What is it?


Electrical earth bonding (or cross bonding) is required to stop you or the installer from getting an electric shock from the gas pipework. This is something that all properties should have, however older ones may not. The bonding attaches the earth cable to the outlet pipework (see bonding clamp below).
 



Why is this an issue?


We’re not allowed to move or alter the earth bonding. Therefore if we need to complete alterations on the pipework, we are obstructed by the earth bonding. This usually happens either on a semi concealed exchange, or if there is lead pipework that needs to be exchanged. If this is the case these jobs can’t go ahead.

What to do if this happens?


You would need to organise for an electrician to relocate the electrical earth bonding. The earth bonding needs to be within either 600 mm of the meter outlet, or in the case of an external gas meter it can be within 600 mm of where the pipework enters the property. Once this has been done, you can contact us to re-book the job.

 

Purging a gas supply


When does a gas system need to be purged?


If an engineer interrupts the gas supply (when exchanging a meter) engineer would need to purge the system.

What is the process on site?

 

  1. Turn off the gas supply
  2. Remove the old meter
  3. Install a new meter
  4. Purge gas supply
  5. Relight appliance.

 

​​​​Why does a system need to be purged?


Between steps 2 & 3 above, air enters the gas supply system, which would mean the appliances won't relight. Therefore we must purge the gas supply - this is the action of releasing gas into the system, which forces removal of air. Once the air is fully removed, we are able to relight the appliances and have all of the member's appliances back in use

 

Semi-concealed gas meter

 


​​​​Why is this an issue?


The engineer will require specialised kit to make sure that the meter is fitted correctly.

How do we resolve this?

 

  • If it wasn’t specified that the meter is semi-concealed when booking the appointment, we can re-book the appointment but will need to make sure to add to the notes that the meter is semi-concealed
  • If it was previously recorded, please send us meter photos to see if there is an issue with space or an unusual ECV (sometimes replacing the ECV in semi-concealed boxes can be difficult due to the space). Send it via email to: hello@ovoenergy.com. 

 

That’s it for our very long and very technical guide about on site work - have we missed anything? Let us know via a comment below…

 

If you need to book in an maintenance appointment with OVO, see this guide to confirm costs. 

 

If you’re not sure who is needed to do the job, see this guide on who owns what. 


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I’m not entirely happy with the inclusion of this sentence in the section about PME

Some older supplies do not have it and may need to get it installed.

The underlying reason that PME is supplied by the DNO is because the earth is provided by the design of the substation transformer.

That’s why properties with PME should not also have their own earth stake. Any earth-stakes within an area supplied from a PME substation are installed solely by the DNO, who are aware of the issues concerning a “neutral fault”.

A substation operating with PME feeds will be marked as such, as will any poles carrying overhead wires.

Attrib: Bob Harvey

 

Is it possible to book an OVO engineer to have electrics  serviced? If not,can anyone recommend an energy supplier who does offer this service? Thanks.

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What kind of service do you need @Attitude ?

OVO can do some work, but I’d need to know what you’re after in order to help you out.

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Hey @Attitude,

 

Welcome to the OVO Online Community. 

 

Unfortunately that isn’t something OVO would offer. 

 

I can’t personally recommend someone, but there are some really helpful website’s online that recommend certified electricians. 

Thanks for sharing helpful information! I think I would love to join such a team. I'm just looking for a job and have passed my exams recently.

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In that case @YannDelys , check out https://careers.ovo.com 

I had an appointment to get gas and electric smart meters installed. A smart meter was connected to the electricity supply but not the gas supply. He said he was unable to fix a bracket to the meter and was therefore unable to add a smart meter. Apparently I had to get the meter moved off the ground before they can install it. Does anyone know who is responsible for moving/securing the gas meter to the wall or floor so a smart meter can be installed? The chap who came was suitably vague.

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Hey @namduran ,

We could use some photos of the existing gas meter as this will help us figure this one out.

Could you post some for us?

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Hi @namduran, thanks for sharing the latest. 

 

OVO engineers are able to move the gas meter a certain distance as long as the incoming pipework doesn’t need moving. If it does, you will need to arrange a visit from your gas transporter to move the incoming pipework, and for an OVO engineer visit the same day to move the meter. We outline this job here with a cost of £145:

 

 

More info on who owns what here:

 

 

Here are some photos of the gas meter. As much as I would like a smart meter I can’t afford £145 to get one…’

 

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Thanks!

Fitting a bracket should be free of charge, as is a Smart Meter Upgrade job. In fact, if the bracket is fitted during the job, it’s definitely free last time I checked.

I’m wondering if there might be more to this?

Chap who came said it was too difficult to fit a bracket in its current location as it had a concrete floor and it would have to move. He didn’t leave any details of where it had to move to. I had a gas engineer out doing a boiler device and he said he had no idea what the chap was talking about so there wasn’t much chance of me knowing. So I’m back to square one. I had a gas meter in my old house (no bracket - what does one even look like?) in a very similar position and there was no issue fitting a smart meter. 

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I always tend to back the engineer on site, @namduran. They can look at all the details and make an informed decision. 

 

Just in case they’re about, I’d love to hear from another engineer on what they would recommend in this scenario. @Lukepeniket_OVO is the name...

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Hi all, apologies for not being very active, I've been down south learning how to do solar PV installations 😆

 

 

 

The above gas install does very much look do able and ill explain  how. A bracket can be fitted onto the meter outlet as it looks slotted, even if it isn't slotted we have many different brackets. The only thing I can see which may cause an issue is the pipe behind the meter but again the bracket can be slightly offset.

 

The engineer is correct that we can't fix to concrete floors but we can screw the bracket to a small meter board and glue that down, maybe the engineer didn't want to cut the carpet?

 

I'd book in again and when the next engineer comes out just explain your happy for carpet to be cut and a board glued down :-)

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Thanks Luke!

Oh, and how’s the little guy doing? :)

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He's great, 6 months already 🙈 been a busy few months honestly, looking forward to a few days stuffing my face Full of dinners 😍

 

I have a gas meter and a surrounded box. The property is two-years old and the meter is coming away from the external wall, and pulling the damaged box with it. The box is filling with water. I have complained to OVO that it needs rectifying , but they say it is not their responsibility. Complaint Ref 13985451.  

Do I sue OVO for being party to the installation of a substandard facility with a potential danger to life and limb. ??

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Can you post some pictures of the meter and meter box, please? Meter boxes are owned by the homeowner, not the energy company. But it would be useful to see how the meter is coming away from the wall so we can give more specific advice.

 

The box may be ‘owned’ by the house owner, but cannot be changed without disconnecting the meter.  Your complaints department have the pictures, I have been promised a call from an engineer, to no avail. The complaints department have not given me any hope that they are prepared to remount the meter, but hide behind this silly idea that because the broken box, which OVOs predcessor installed is nothing to do with them. I am now going raise a complaint to the appropriate Ombudsman, and if no success there, I will take OVO to county court level for failing to address a potential hazard.   

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Not my complaints department. I'm a customer like you.

 

It sounds like you've already raised a complaint so I'm not sure what else we can suggest.

 

 

 

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Actually… I think the DNO can assist with replacing an electric meter box as long as you’ve got a new one ready. By going to OVO or taking OVO to court over this, you’re barking up the wrong tree.

Example: https://connections.nationalgrid.co.uk/make-a-change/replace-equipment/replace-meter-box

Same rule for gas, except with your Gas Transporter

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Hey @S777PWC,

 

Really sorry for the issues you’re having, this sounds like a stressful situation to be in. 

 

It sounds like you may need to contact your Gas Transporter, but it’s hard to tell without a photo of the meter. You can find out who your gas transporter is here

 

They may advise you need to get your meter capped. A capped meter refers to a gas supply that has been cut-off by inserting some sort of physical block into the Emergency Cutout Valve (ECV) or pipework leading to the meter.
 

Why are gas meters capped?

 

Meters can be capped for a number of reasons:

  • Unsafe situations, e.g. a leak on the meter that can't be fixed
  • Vacant properties, e.g. if a property has been unoccupied for some time the electricity and gas supplies may be disconnected or capped
  • Theft of gas, e.g. a customer has tampered with their gas meter
  • Collections, e.g. customer refuses to pay
  • Installations, e.g. during a reposition an engineer may cap the meter once they have exchanged it to ensure there is no risk of gas escape before the customer gets a gas safety engineer to connect the meter back up to their boiler

 

The following tutorial might be helpful to you:

 

 

Gas emergency

 

If you can smell gas or think you have a gas leak: 

  • Do open doors and windows to let the gas escape

  • Do check your gas appliances are switched off

  • Do call the 24 hour National Gas Emergency hotline on 0800 111 999

  • Do turn your gas off at the isolation switch (if you know where it is), then wait outside, and let your neighbors know.

  • Don't switch lights on or off, use doorbells, mobile phones or use any electrical switches.

  • Don't smoke, light a match or use any other kind of naked flame.

  • Don't go back into your home until you’ve got the all-clear.

 

For more information about gas emergencies visit our website here

 

Hope this helps, keep us posted. 

What exactly happens to the old (dial ) electric and old gas meter (about 20 years old) once the smart meters have been installed? 

What is then done with these old meters?

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https://www.smsrecycling.co.uk/post/how-to-recycle-gas-electrical-meters-and-utility-meters

https://cssrecycling.co.uk/recycling/electric-meter-recycling/

 

Thanks so the installer simply takes the old readings and imputs them on their hand held device and sends these meters of to be recycled in due course

Are most smart meters installed by third parties or in house

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