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Super User
October 7, 2022
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Off Peak Storage Battery Charging

  • October 7, 2022
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With the approach of winter and the possibility of restrictions on power use at peak times, I wonder whether an approach to off peak charging of storage batteries might be worth looking at?

At present, it is not attractive to charge off peak and consume later as there is an inherent loss in any system meaning that the consumer will get out a little less than they put in. 
There is a need for the supply grid to be strengthened generally as we increase the use of Electric Vehicles (EV’s) which will add to the draw on the whole network, potentially often at peak times. 
Despite being fairly up-to-date with equipment and technology, we currently cannot get an off peak tariff as having a SMETS2 smart meter installed, we are told that this is not compatible with Economy7 (or Economy10 etc). This seems to me a fairly simple problem in that - from what I can see - there are several registers (counters) in the smart meter and there must be a simple time signal for switching between these for logging use at different time phases. I know users who have Economy7 and SMETS2 but from what I’m told, they have to report use manually. 
Spreading power needs would help power generation, network grid and network operators alike, as well as smoothing use generally and encouraging further investment in solar PV and battery storage so … is there a rapid solution?

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BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
October 10, 2022

Nice post, @BPLightlog - we’ve converted this into an ‘Idea’ which allows other members to vote on it to show they want to see this feature. Make sure you vote on it yourself!

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In your case @BPLightlog there’s some good advice above about other tariff options, and about OVO Power Move (be part of it and you’ll be part of a private forum group). I’m not sure I understand what it is you want to see introduced. Are you recommending a tariff that offers low (off peak) import rates to charge your battery? 

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Thanks @Tim_OVO but I had really wanted various inputs from others - hence the original post. Having said that, with the now publicised need to smooth demand, I can’t understand why off-peak tariff charging for those who can use it, is so difficult.

Bring me Sunshine ~ E&E {Solar PV, Battery Storage, Hybrid EV, ASHP and Home Assistant automation}
Newcomer
October 10, 2022

Hi,

Given I’ve got a battery, I’m sure I could arrange to fill outside of the power move window and then aim to be battery only during the window. Except where the consumption would exceed 2.5kw (small spikes of kettle and oven use) I could carry on as normal.

 

That’s partly what the battery is for surely (as well as surplus solar in the summer).

Newcomer
January 9, 2023

Hey @BPLightlog,

 

This is a really interesting idea!

 

A few of our Community Members have storage batteries would be interesting to see what they think- @Transparent @jenthomson @Heatherd @dnshorto

I have economy 7. 4.8kw of batteries. In my Enphase app and online account i  can use the TOU feature. Time of use and charge at night. At the moment they are set to charge 2am to 6am. Feb i  will go down to 2am to 5am. Weather permitting I will go to 2am to 4am in march. Then nothing to october at night. It can be done just not by ovo. 

 

Newcomer
February 10, 2023

Hi, Just about to get some solar panels and batteries (not from Ovo) and I’m currently on a smart meter economy 7 with Ovo.

Looking at this thread I’m a bit confused, could I charge the batteries overnight? 

The battery installer says their system and app will allow scheduled charging so it should be ok on that side.

But I’m wondering if there could be issues from Ovo side on this?

Cheers

BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
February 10, 2023

Hi, Just about to get some solar panels and batteries (not from Ovo) and I’m currently on a smart meter economy 7 with Ovo.

Looking at this thread I’m a bit confused, could I charge the batteries overnight? 

The battery installer says their system and app will allow scheduled charging so it should be ok on that side.

But I’m wondering if there could be issues from Ovo side on this?

Cheers

No that should be fine @Birdy. It was just that I don’t have E7 and can’t get it currently. 
Depending in your plan, you should just double check on off peak pricing as E7 tariffs don’t come under the price cap system

Bring me Sunshine ~ E&E {Solar PV, Battery Storage, Hybrid EV, ASHP and Home Assistant automation}
Newcomer
February 10, 2023

I have a smart meter with economy 7. I charge over the winter. It can be done. saves 17p a unit. run your washing machine at night and dishwasher if weather is poor. works well. Just remember to change your TIME of use in spring and turn it off in your solar software. 

M.isterW
Rank 6
Rank 6
February 10, 2023

You should also be able to set it so all the solar PV goes into the battery without force charging from the grid. That's useful on sunny days if your tariff has an expensive peak period in the evening.

1992 4 bed detached house. Solar PV + battery, Zappi EV charger, Mitsubishi Ecodan ASHP and i-life2 fan assisted radiators.... No gas 😊
Firedog
Super User
Super User
February 10, 2023

… E7 tariffs don’t come under the price cap system

Not strictly true, BP. OVO aren’t allowed to charge more than the EPG price limits. It’s just that the two E7 rates have to be aligned so that an average user would see an average cost per unit below the limit. I reckon that E7 first begins to save the user money when the off-peak usage exceeds 40% of the total. Anything less than 40% and the flat single-rate would be cheaper.

Noel | I have no official status; I'm just a volunteer who comes here to help other customers. My gear: Aclara SGM 1416-B Electricity-only E7 meter; Chameleon IHD3-PPMID-AAA | It may look as if I know what I’m talking about, but don’t let that fool you. |