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October 7, 2022
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Off Peak Storage Battery Charging

  • October 7, 2022
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With the approach of winter and the possibility of restrictions on power use at peak times, I wonder whether an approach to off peak charging of storage batteries might be worth looking at?

At present, it is not attractive to charge off peak and consume later as there is an inherent loss in any system meaning that the consumer will get out a little less than they put in. 
There is a need for the supply grid to be strengthened generally as we increase the use of Electric Vehicles (EV’s) which will add to the draw on the whole network, potentially often at peak times. 
Despite being fairly up-to-date with equipment and technology, we currently cannot get an off peak tariff as having a SMETS2 smart meter installed, we are told that this is not compatible with Economy7 (or Economy10 etc). This seems to me a fairly simple problem in that - from what I can see - there are several registers (counters) in the smart meter and there must be a simple time signal for switching between these for logging use at different time phases. I know users who have Economy7 and SMETS2 but from what I’m told, they have to report use manually. 
Spreading power needs would help power generation, network grid and network operators alike, as well as smoothing use generally and encouraging further investment in solar PV and battery storage so … is there a rapid solution?

18 replies

Emmanuelle_OVO
Retired Moderator
Retired Moderator
October 7, 2022

Hey @BPLightlog,

 

This is a really interesting idea!

 

A few of our Community Members have storage batteries would be interesting to see what they think- @Transparent @jenthomson @Heatherd @dnshorto

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nealmurphy
Newcomer
Newcomer
October 7, 2022

A SMETS2 meter can be loaded with an Economy 7 tariff and billed accordingly if done properly.

Depending on how time of use night time rates look over the winter it could perhaps be beneficial trying these as well as Economy 7, though these are more unpredictable than having an Economy 7 tariff.

BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
October 7, 2022

A SMETS2 meter can be loaded with an Economy 7 tariff and billed accordingly if done properly.

 

That’s good to know @nealmurphy although currently I can’t get access to any off peak rates

Bring me Sunshine ~ E&E {Solar PV, Battery Storage, Hybrid EV, ASHP and Home Assistant automation}
BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
October 7, 2022

A SMETS2 meter can be loaded with an Economy 7 tariff and billed accordingly if done properly.

 

That’s good to know @nealmurphy although currently I get get access to any off peak rates

That should say “can’t get access” of course 🤦‍♂️

Bring me Sunshine ~ E&E {Solar PV, Battery Storage, Hybrid EV, ASHP and Home Assistant automation}
nealmurphy
Newcomer
Newcomer
October 7, 2022

Keep on at OVO in the hope they can upgrade their capabilities. Otherwise you could consider switching.

Either way your battery should put you in good stead for the OVO Power Move or other similar schemes being set up by other suppliers.

 

 

Rank 2
October 7, 2022

Octopus has got great tariffs that offer a low price period (similar to Economy 7 but different hours) which is ideal for many households. Definitely worth looking into if you understand your usage and how you could move some to other times.

 

We did have a smart tariff like this when we first got our Tesla Powerwall so it definitely works. You may not get exactly 100% back but the savings definitely outweighed this. 

BPLightlog
Super User
Super User
October 9, 2022

Octopus has got great tariffs that offer a low price period (similar to Economy 7 but different hours) which is ideal for many households. Definitely worth looking into if you understand your usage and how you could move some to other times.

 

We did have a smart tariff like this when we first got our Tesla Powerwall so it definitely works. You may not get exactly 100% back but the savings definitely outweighed this. 

Thanks for this @jenthomson. I’ve been tracking usage for some time so have some good data to go on. The only hesitation is current tariffs - we are a year away from the current tariff end and so it probably won’t pay to change at the minute. 
 

From what I can see from the trial mentioned by @nealmurphy to be run by OVO, it will only be advantageous if you can reduce demand to less than a percentage of your overall use. For those who already reduce their demand overall (with solar and battery storage for example), it will be difficult to move this percentage even further

Bring me Sunshine ~ E&E {Solar PV, Battery Storage, Hybrid EV, ASHP and Home Assistant automation}
nealmurphy
Newcomer
Newcomer
October 9, 2022

@BPLightlog the devil is in the detail, but as it's written currently on the blog:

" We’re looking for participants to cut their average consumption during the peak hours to less than 12.5%. "

Therefore if you're average consumption during the times given is already less tha 12.5%, you've ticked the box.

On the Octopus trial last winter we had to decrease our usage in various 2 hour timeslots by either a certain percentage or by a certain kWh amount. These timeslots were given with varying degrees of notice to see how fast and how much people could react.

I'm not sure if all suppliers are following the same formula this time or if the schemes will vary. But fair play to OVO for picking one of the best names for it! 

Tim_OVO
OVO Staff
OVO Forum Legend
October 10, 2022

Nice post, @BPLightlog - we’ve converted this into an ‘Idea’ which allows other members to vote on it to show they want to see this feature. Make sure you vote on it yourself!

 

At the moment a customer on a single rate tariff can’t be moved onto a two rate tariff due to a temporary limitation of the billing platform. This will be available soon though. For anyone wanting the opposite, a workaround is available where the off peak and peak rates are changed to the same ‘single rate’ tariff. 

 

In your case @BPLightlog there’s some good advice above about other tariff options, and about OVO Power Move (be part of it and you’ll be part of a private forum group). I’m not sure I understand what it is you want to see introduced. Are you recommending a tariff that offers low (off peak) import rates to charge your battery? 

 

Forum Ideas currently works in collaboration with a few product teams for our online tools. Tariffs aren’t something we can pass on directly to the team’s roadmap. However for these ones (good ideas but out of scope), we’ll change them to ‘can’t be done yet’ which still allows for members to vote. I’ll make that change now.  

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Tim_OVO
OVO Staff
OVO Forum Legend
October 10, 2022
NewCan't be done yet
Carbon neutral - we need a community to get there! My green tech: Aclara SGM 1411-B smart meter, Chameleon IHD6