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October 25, 2021
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Hot water and heating control with my Mitsubishi Ecodan Air-Source Heat Pump (ASHP)?

  • October 25, 2021
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Hi there,

 

I’ve been looking at some of the data coming from my EcoDan system. 

Something you can see here just looking at the tank temp maroon line at the top (chart is last 24 hours of time). At around midnight the HW temp falls to about 40 degrees which triggers the pump to bring it back up to 50. The temp then falls back across late night / early morning. Given I know no one is going to use the HW until 7am, is heating up at midnight a waste? It seems like that intially, but then you have to factor in that the tank temp would still fall further if not reheated at midnight. 
 

Wondering if I could / should stop the HW heating up at midnight? (Of course if I had a nighttime elec tariff this could be a better strategy)

 

Best answer by Speps

You can do two things to stop this.

Firstly is to look at and adjust the reheat temperature, which is the temperature below the set point that the tank will heat up. These graphs don't tell the whole story but it looks like yours is very aggressive, 5 degrees or less? Try 10 or even 12 degrees.

Second thing you can do is to adjust the hot water timer so it doesn't go on overnight.

I use this timer to stop the hot water from reheating in the morning, as otherwise a few morning showers will stop the central heating and interferes with the heating schedule. But I would not suggest this for your fix as there will be times you empty the tank before bed and need it in the morning.

I've attached my graph of the same. By chance it also shows a leigionella boost. Its strange your graph doesn't show the boiler set point? 

Another warning not to take these graphs as 100% accurate for temperature, as I had a shower last night and it was definitely warmer than the 20 degrees it says my tank was.

 

81 replies

Rank 4
October 25, 2021

The report posted by @jason.lewis in the COP thread doesn’t mention much about hot water heating but does suggest schedules can be used to good effect. I’ve changed my to a schedule but that’s partly because I have my immersion connected to my solar PV and any excess electricity gets dumped to the tank. My water COP isn’t good but I’m also not heating my tank very often. 
Does the Mitsubishi system allow a schedule and reheat option? On the Daikin you can set this up so that it’ll run a schedule, say 48C at 10pm, which only kicks in if the immersion hasn’t heated up the tank or we’ve used the hot water.  Then we have reheat during the day if water temp drops low, in the Daikin case 10C less than what you set it at, so my day time reheat temp is 45C, so if tank temperature drops to 35C it boosts it back up to 45C. 
I don’t personally see the benefit of an eco7 type tariff. The hot water demand isn’t enough of overall electricity usage to warrant the increase peak rate you pay when heating is required, at least through the winter.

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SpepsSolved
Newcomer
October 29, 2021

You can do two things to stop this.

Firstly is to look at and adjust the reheat temperature, which is the temperature below the set point that the tank will heat up. These graphs don't tell the whole story but it looks like yours is very aggressive, 5 degrees or less? Try 10 or even 12 degrees.

Second thing you can do is to adjust the hot water timer so it doesn't go on overnight.

I use this timer to stop the hot water from reheating in the morning, as otherwise a few morning showers will stop the central heating and interferes with the heating schedule. But I would not suggest this for your fix as there will be times you empty the tank before bed and need it in the morning.

I've attached my graph of the same. By chance it also shows a leigionella boost. Its strange your graph doesn't show the boiler set point? 

Another warning not to take these graphs as 100% accurate for temperature, as I had a shower last night and it was definitely warmer than the 20 degrees it says my tank was.

 

James_NAuthor
Rank 6
October 29, 2021

thank you @Speps . Another question seeing as we seem to have the same system. Do you know how to navigate the menus to adjust the legionaires cycle? Mine is set at 7 days and i wanted to extend it to 10 days

11.2k Ecodan ASHP. 4 Bed semi.
Newcomer
October 31, 2021

@James_N yes on the controller hold the bottom left button until the menu options change colour. From there click hot water, and the pencil icon on legionella. Try to resist changing other settings but do have a look what your tank set and reheat temperatures are.

James_NAuthor
Rank 6
October 31, 2021

Thanks @Speps   Mission accomplished. Hot water is set to 50 degrees with a temp drop of 10 degrees 

11.2k Ecodan ASHP. 4 Bed semi.
Tim_OVO
OVO Staff
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December 13, 2021

@James_N @hydrosam and @Speps, would anyone object if I moved this topic into the public Smart homes forum category? I think this might be helpful to heat pump owners even if they’re not on the trial…..

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Rank 4
December 13, 2021

No objection here. The original question was about how to control this on the Mitsubishi system. I don’t whether it’s worth mentioning that? The Mitsubishi Ecodan does appear to have more flexible controls and an easier to use interface than the Daikin. 

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Tim_OVO
OVO Staff
OVO Forum Legend
December 14, 2021

Good point, @hydrosam - I’ve now specified the Ecodan in the title and tags so this thread is nice and specific now. 

 

I’ve also spotted a very nice summary of the settings available. posted by @Speps on this private Smart trials thread:

 

“The ecodan has 3 options for heating: fixed flow temperature (always the design temperature) , weather compensation mode (variable on air temperature and following the weather compensation curve) and target room temperature mode.

 

I understand the target room temperature mode uses the indoor temp sensor and the outdoor units temp sensor to calculate the real time heat loss, and adjust flow temperature from there. The building’s rate of heat loss is variable but more consistent than the air temperature, so should be most efficient way for the heat pump to maintain room temp.”

 

I feel like this is a big subject, with lots of variables that influence which option to go for. So it’s nice to have somewhere specific for the Ecodan. 

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March 29, 2022

I’m already kinda of relieved to find this forum / post because I too have an Mitsubshi EcoDan ASHP fitted 3 weeks ago and the installers have pretty much fitted it and forgotten us.  I was rushing to get the RHI in before the end of the month and I’ve already let them of the hook by paying but I don’t think there isn’t much that can’t be sorted out without some education.

The main problem is that the hot water tank is right next to our bedroom so it wakes us up in the night and tends to stay on for a couple of hours. I've worked out most of the controls but despite setting of timer to switch the system off at night it still sometimes comes on for no reason that I can see.

I know we can power off the system to stop it completely but then of course it doesn't give us heat or water until we switch it back on and I'm worried that the anti freeze system I've seen also can't work when it's powered off. Last night it was warm both inside and out, tank temp was high enough and the timer was off until 7:30am yet at 6am it kicked in, no idea why.

I need some help please.

 

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
March 29, 2022

Hey there

I’m afraid I’m not much of an expert in ASHP stuff myself, but I can ask my friends to stop by. I know @hydrosam is definitely an expert here! I’ll see if there’s anyone else I can ask too. Bear with us!

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