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October 25, 2021
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Hot water and heating control with my Mitsubishi Ecodan Air-Source Heat Pump (ASHP)?

  • October 25, 2021
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Hi there,

 

I’ve been looking at some of the data coming from my EcoDan system. 

Something you can see here just looking at the tank temp maroon line at the top (chart is last 24 hours of time). At around midnight the HW temp falls to about 40 degrees which triggers the pump to bring it back up to 50. The temp then falls back across late night / early morning. Given I know no one is going to use the HW until 7am, is heating up at midnight a waste? It seems like that intially, but then you have to factor in that the tank temp would still fall further if not reheated at midnight. 
 

Wondering if I could / should stop the HW heating up at midnight? (Of course if I had a nighttime elec tariff this could be a better strategy)

 

Best answer by Speps

You can do two things to stop this.

Firstly is to look at and adjust the reheat temperature, which is the temperature below the set point that the tank will heat up. These graphs don't tell the whole story but it looks like yours is very aggressive, 5 degrees or less? Try 10 or even 12 degrees.

Second thing you can do is to adjust the hot water timer so it doesn't go on overnight.

I use this timer to stop the hot water from reheating in the morning, as otherwise a few morning showers will stop the central heating and interferes with the heating schedule. But I would not suggest this for your fix as there will be times you empty the tank before bed and need it in the morning.

I've attached my graph of the same. By chance it also shows a leigionella boost. Its strange your graph doesn't show the boiler set point? 

Another warning not to take these graphs as 100% accurate for temperature, as I had a shower last night and it was definitely warmer than the 20 degrees it says my tank was.

 

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Blastoise186
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March 29, 2022

Ok, I’ve also got @hambrook @M.isterW and @Nicllb down as having Ecodan units, according to the threads in the Smart Home Trials Treehouse. I’ll ask them to stop by, as they might know some tips.

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March 29, 2022

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some initial thoughts. 
Make sure all internal pipework around the tank and valves is insulated, see photo below. 
Set a schedule for your hot water, don’t use reheat only mode, despite what some installers say, they just don’t want to be called back for a lack of cold water. Use Schedule and reheat. If you are not on a cheap overnight tariff then early/mid afternoon is typically the most efficient time of day to reheat your water. Set it around 48C, with a  reheat threshold around 38C (all depends on how much water you use). 
Set back the overnight heating temperature a couple of degrees. 
The occasional running might be the anti-freeze mode, when it runs but doesn’t add much heat. For example when external temperature is below 5C, the system runs to stop the water in the external pipes freezing. Not much you can do about this. But insulated pipework inside will reduce the noise if this hasn’t been done. 
 

 

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March 29, 2022

Thanks @hydrosam

I haven’t seen reheat mode but I’ll look into the settings.  Once I got the ASHP on the Wifi I’ve been using the MEL Cloud App but there is no way to change the lower reheat threshold and the Heat Now in uses the emersion heater as the fan outside doesn’t come on when I activate but the pumps near the tank do.  I initially thought the night time starts were the anti freeze kicking in and whilst its happening less as the temps have warmed up it still happens.

MEL Cloud App EcoDan Settings

They have left all the pipes in the airing cupboard complete uninsulated and even the pipe outside aren’t as nicely done as yours, but I can look into that too. 

Jess_OVO
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March 30, 2022

Great to have another new ASHP’er here seeking advice!

 

Just in case you hadn’t spotted it we’ve got a great collaborative to getting that pipe insulation up to tip-top efficiency over here:
 

 

Really interesting to see a screenshot of your MEL Cloud App too. Not sure if any others here have used this or a similar app to tweak their settings. @hydrosam@nealmurphy@hambrook - Am I right in thinking you’ve been adjusting your settings on the Heat Pump itself?

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March 30, 2022

@Jess_OVO i can only manage settings through the main controller. My older generation of heat pump has no app 😭.

@Speps and @James_N are both Mitsubishi owners and will know there way around the details of the settings better than me. 

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March 30, 2022

Great to have another new ASHP’er here seeking advice, ​​​​

 

Really interesting to see a screenshot of your MEL Cloud App too. Not sure if any others here have used this or a similar app to tweak their settings. @hydrosam@nealmurphy@hambrook - Am I right in thinking you’ve been adjusting your settings on the Heat Pump itself?

The screen shots higher up in the thread are from the same app they are showing "Reports" my screen shot is from the "Control" section.

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March 30, 2022

Are we ALLOWED to login to MEL Cloud as part of the OVO Heat Pump Trial? What, if any changes, are we allowed to make? @Jess_OVO @Tim_OVO 

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March 30, 2022

Does anyone know if the Heat Pump Pipe Insulation should be installed as part of the Hies guarantee. My indoor pipes have nothing at all and the outdoor ones don't come anywhere near the standards in the guide.

This might be what I need to get Hafod back to finish the work.

 

nealmurphy
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March 30, 2022

@Jess_OVO Unfortunately we weren't given access to apps as part of the trial for some reason, so all tinkering is via the unit itself, though I've stopped short of getting my screwdriver set out!

April 1, 2022

Surely this isn't right. We ran a bath this morning and the water still hasn't even.attempted to get back to operating temperature (45).