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February 22, 2024
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Why does Power Move not include weekends?

  • February 22, 2024
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If the point of ‘PowerMove’ is to shuffle power usage away from the peak 4-7pm weekday times surely it makes no sense not to count weekend usage when calculating target averages. If over the course of a whole month I’ve shuffled a significant amount of laundry, batch cooking and other power intensive chores away from weekdays and into the weekend - but Saturdays and Sundays are ignored when calculations are made - then my actual monthly off-peak average isn’t being accurately recorded for the purposes of meeting the target. In order to reach the target I need to shuffle usage in a 24 hour window, 5 days per week - rather than across the week as a whole - and concentrate usage to off-peak hours during the week … if this is about changing habits, surely whole week, or even whole month usage needs to be included when calculating averages … or am I missing something ?

Best answer by DavidWSR

I think the Power Move is limited to Monday to Friday 4-7pm as this is when peak demand occurs. The demands at the weekends are different. Maybe there is another window that needs to be explored at the weekends for reducing energy usage.

 

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Newcomer
February 22, 2024

If the point of ‘PowerMove’ is to shuffle power usage away from the peak 4-7pm weekday times surely it makes no sense not to count weekend usage when calculating target averages. If over the course of a whole month I’ve shuffled a significant amount of laundry, batch cooking and other power intensive chores away from weekdays and into the weekend - but Saturdays and Sundays are ignored when calculations are made - then my actual monthly off-peak average isn’t being accurately recorded for the purposes of meeting the target. In order to reach the target I need to shuffle usage in a 24 hour window, 5 days per week - rather than across the week as a whole - and concentrate usage to off-peak hours during the week … if this is about changing habits, surely whole week, or even whole month usage needs to be included when calculating averages … or am I missing something ?

I have solar panels so any power move at this time of year is impossible 

Rank 2
February 22, 2024

In Power Move calculations, weekend usage is completely ignored. Your percentage  usage is calculated on 30 minute readings between 4 and 7 pm Mon-Fri. The purpose is to shuffle usage to off peak periods during the week, not shift everything to weekends creating further peak periods.

It ain't rocket science ! Folks come home from work or school during peak weekday periods and everything gets turned on. Cookers, televisions, dishwashers etc. 

For the purpose of this scheme, monthly isn't actually monthly, only the weekdays during any particular calendar month - maybe twenty or twenty one days.

February 23, 2024

As a demand management tool, Power Move is far from perfect.

Unlike Power Move Plus, it does not give each user an individual usage target. Instead, it takes broad-brush approach to demand management by (a) targeting %age of daily usage and (b) making only non-bank holiday weekdays eligible.

This gives rise to a lot of complaints, misunderstandings and some perverse incentives.

Complaints: If you don’t like Power Move just leave. It is optional.

Misunderstandings: Surely by now these have all been covered many times on the forum. Please read previous posts before raising a repeat query. Also @Tim_OVO , please can you update the FAQ with answers to all these questions that, well, are frequently asked.

Perverse incentives: I, and others, have pointed out that you can boost your chances of getting a Power Move rebate by shifting heavy usage tasks from the weekend to weekdays. It doesn’t do anything to reduce peak demand but it does work to our benefit so I guess Ovo just have to put up with users doing every they can to get the rebate each month.

Emmanuelle_OVO
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Retired Moderator
February 26, 2024

Hey @Simon 1402, yes we can certainly update the FAQ.

 

All, if there’s a list of questions you all want answering I can collate them and forward them on to the Power Move team to answer.

 

The first being why aren’t weekends included in the target. 

 

If there are any more questions you’d like me to put to the team that haven’t already been answered in an official capacity please comment below 🙂 

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Emmanuelle_OVO
Retired Moderator
Retired Moderator
February 26, 2024

I’ve spoken to the team who have advised, with including the weekend usage it would be quite complicated in practice without changing the whole proposition structure. However, we are always assessing the impact of Power Move & looking at new ways to iterate in order to maximise the positive environmental impact & the customer experience. It’s on the road map to look into adding weekends to the modelling, and is something that’s being looked into. 

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Tron Burgundy
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March 4, 2024

Why would anyone want to add weekends to the equation anyway - it’s two days you get off and don’t have to think about whether you can have a couple of cups of tea and don’t have to say to your girlfriend “No, we can’t play Mario 3D World Co-Op on the big telly til seven!”

Rank 2
March 7, 2024

We’ll just have to see what happens won’t we. l try my best not always the case. it’s quite difficult at times. like the cuppa so why should you go without. but anything else if l have dinner to do that is a bit later. we use to that now.

Newcomer
July 19, 2024

It’s a good point, well made! However, I suspect if weekends were included the target would be lower, because the peak time would be a smaller proportion of the total time. For example, 12.5% is 3 hours out of 24 hours, so the original PM target of 12.5% effectively challenged us to use electricity evenly throughout the 24 hrs! - which is what would be best for generators. However, 4-7 M-F is 15 hrs out of 168 hours total in 7 days - 11.2%!

That was my reply 5 months ago when weekend inclusion was proposed. Now we have it for the summer! But where are my sums wrong? The original target was 12.5% for the minimum discount. With weekends included in non-peak, the equivalent is 11.2%. I have a feeling there’s more to it than that because the target we have now is 8.5% - significantly lower - and all you get for that is less than the price of a cup of tea!

We are low users and, let’s face it, who wants to stay in and use energy all weekend during the summer? Better to go out and buy that cup of tea surely? So we’re not trying during the current challenge. We’re on about 10% so far.

Chris_OVO
Community Manager
Community Manager
July 23, 2024

Hey @Mike90216,

 

We have a thread which i’ll link below that’s got a lot of discussions since weekends are now included! I hope this helps 😊

 

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Newcomer
July 23, 2024

Thanks for tagging me. Yeah, my calculator obviously malfunctioned :-) Should be 8.9% not 11.2% so not so far out after all. I’ll join the other thread.