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January 10, 2024

The Mathematics of Power Move (and how to achieve the targets)

  • January 10, 2024
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Updated on 07/03/25 by Ben_OVO

Our Power Move peak times have changed to 5pm - 7pm weekdays. If you hit the saving targets you’ll be entered into a prize draw with a chance of winning some great prizes (the top prize is a year’s free energy!). You can learn more and sign up here, and visit our FAQ’s page here.

 

Here’s a helpful Forum topic where our community have shared ideas around hitting Power Move targets:

 

 

Don't worry if you not into Mathematics, then just skip to the CONCLUSIONS, and TACTICS Sections!!!

  1.   Calculating your Power Move base load.

    Assuming your base load is fairly constant at 1 unit per hour (if it's lower (or higher) it doesn't matter, cos it will drop out of the  calculations latter on.

           If your base load is the same day and night then your initial Power Move percentage is 3/24 = 12.5% (and your total load is 24 units).

           If it just 8am to midnight, then your percentage is 3/16 = 18.75% (and your total load is 16 units).

          If your night time use is half your day time use ,then it is 3/ (16 *1 + 8 *0.5) = 15% (and your total load is 20 units).

         I will carry on with the last one of these cases, cos I think this is more typical (and is like my own use).

  1. Calculating the effect on the percentage by varying your load.

If you can move 0.1 units of load from the peak period to non-peak, then your percentage is  now 2.9/20.1 = 14.43%.

If you can decrease your peak load by 0.1 units, then your percentage is now 2.9/20 = 14.5%.

If you increase your non-peak load by 0.1 units, but not decrease your peak load at all, then your percentage is 3/20.1 = 14.9%.

       3.  Comparing:

          Moving 0.1 units, improves your percentage by 0.57%   (15% - 14.43%)

          Decreasing peak load by 0.1 units, improves percentage by 0.5%  (15% - 14.5%).

          Increasing non-peak load by 0.1 units, improves percentage by 0.1%  (15% - 14.9%).

       4. Results:

          Decreasing your peak load achieves 87% of the decrease due to moving the same load to non-peak (0.5/0.57 = 87%).

          Increasing your non-peak load only achieves 17.5% of the decrease due to moving the same load from peak to non-peak (0.1/0.57 = 17.5%).

 

CONCLUSIONS:       

      Decreasing your peak load is almost as efficient (as moving it), in improving your Power Move percentage, whilst increasing your non-peak load (by the same amount) only has a small effect on the percentage.  I hope that explains why some people are having difficulty meeting the targets.

 

TACTICS:

  1. Low hanging fruit: move all optional use from peak period - large effect on percentage, and move all optional use from weekend to non-peak working week - small effect on percentage, but may/should be easy to do.
  2. If this hasn't achieve required savings, then investigate all peak use, and either move it to non-peak, or dispense with it.

So, what I would do:

      1) Don't use the oven, tumble dryer, washing machine and dish washer in peak periods (during the working week).

      2) Try and doing all washing (both clothes and dishes) during non-peak periods during the working week.

      3) Turn off the TV, chargers, and non-essential lights during peak periods.

      4) Consider pre-cooling the fridge, and pre-heating the house, in the hour before the peak period (as in a previous posting.).

      To tell the truth, I don't actual ever achieve the Power Move targets, but I do regularly achieve substantial Power Move Plus savings.  There are three reasons for this: firstly, I believe that hitting any of the Power Move targets will substantially reduce the possible Power Move Plus savings, secondly, I have a lodger and friends staying, at the moment, and, although I can motivate my friends for the odd Plus days, I don't seem to be able to motivate them all, for every working day, and thirdly, changing the thermostats every working day is a bit over the top; now wish I had a Smart Thermostat!!!

I hope that helps somebody,

     Rgds,

            Steve      

I’ve included some links below to some handy pages on our website that give tips on understanding your usage and reducing it 👇

 

https://www.ovoenergy.com/help/article/how-we-show-your-energy-use

https://www.ovoenergy.com/guides/how-to-save-money-on-your-energy-bills

 

For more energy saving advice, i’d recommend a Google search: ‘[name of local/council area] energy saving advice’. You’ll find that many local councils offer free energy saving tips, links to grants and help with green tech / energy saving kit installation. There are also many organisations and charities that offer this sort of assistance.

16 replies

Nukecad
Super User
Super User
January 12, 2024

Yes. it’s the much too similar naming of the two different schemes that has given rise to a lot of the confusion.

And as noted the 2 do interact, meaning that those on Power Move (and particularly those meeting the targets) already are unlikely to meet Power move Plus targets.

If the DFS events happen again after this current round then we are told that Power Move Plus is likely to be given a different name next time.
(I think that “Demand Move” would describe it better and avoid confusion).

I said, Hey - Watts going on.
juliamc
Rank 20
Rank 20
January 12, 2024

I like @MGSteve ‘s reference to the profile. A graph always helps to explain the data so could be useful if it was relaunched under a new name, though OVO has already used about a million fancy names for all its various initiatives.

Firedog
Super User
Super User
January 12, 2024

There is a nasty interaction between the 2 systems: if you achieve the Power Move discount, then the amount that you can get from the next Power Move Plus is  reduced ...

Any comments???

 

You did ask!

We’ve been power-moving for several months now, many of us since last summer. That has probably taught us a lot about how and when we use electricity and how to behave in order to maximize the benefit, both financially for us and ecologically for the planet. 

We’ve already seen some moral questions raised: is it defensible deliberately to use more electricity in the morning or to do the hoovering on Friday evening instead of Saturday morning solely in order to bring the target period percentage down below the threshold?

Here’s another moral dilemma, then, just to address your point here. We’ve seen consumers bragging about low percentages (<5). That’s really good from a CO₂ emissions viewpoint, but 5% won’t earn you any more than 10% would. To maximize the PM+ reward, then, it would make financial sense to increase the target period consumption to an average just below the PM threshold. Doing this consistently will make sure that the target for a PM+ event during the peak period stays at an achievable and profitable level, while still earning the PM reward. 

For example, a customer regularly achieving 5% for the PM challenge could double the target period consumption and thus the future PM+ target and reward while still earning the PM reward. 

I think 😉

 

Noel | I have no official status; I'm just a volunteer who comes here to help other customers. My gear: Aclara SGM 1416-B Electricity-only E7 meter; Chameleon IHD3-PPMID-AAA | It may look as if I know what I’m talking about, but don’t let that fool you. |
MGSteveAuthor
Rank 6
January 12, 2024

    Interesting: I agree there are 2 distinct incentives for us to reduce electricity use: 1) Reducing carbon dioxide emissions, and 2) Reducing  the cost.  A Martian would expect that these would be directly related!!!   But, due to the National Grid pricing model, and the OVO schemes they are not!!!  And, because of the increased cost of energy, we are having to concentrate much more on the cost.

   OVO have made it quite complicated with these 2 schemes that (slightly) conflict, and  I hope my initial contribution to this conversation helps people understand them. 

   Personally, I can get my consumption down to about 5% of normal, but only for an hour or so, so I am concentrating on PM+.   Especially, with other people in the house, I don’t think I could consistently reach the PM targets, and any attempt to do so will then actually make my PM+ payments less!!!   Nevertheless, I believe my actions are generating less carbon dioxide, in total, aren’t too onerous for me, and are also helping the National Grid deal with its peak periods (and saving me a bit of money!!!).  I could actually make my PM+ payments greater by doing my dish and clothes washing during the peak period on none PM+ days, but I would consider that a bit immoral!!

  It would be so much better if the cost of electricity was more linked to the amount  of carbon dioxide produced, e.g. more like the Octopus charging algorithm, then we wouldn’t have these strange schemes, and all these extended conversations; people would just be directly incentivised to reduce carbon dioxide.   Also, the moral dilemmas about manipulating ones pattern of usage for financial advantage would disappear. 

   Rgds,

          Steve

 

 

 

 

 

Nukecad
Super User
Super User
January 13, 2024

I've been thinking about the £15 reward for meeting the Power Move percentage target.

Of course the most obvious, and most stated, is that it will cover the electricity standing charge.
Well the SC has now gone up, but £15 will still cover most of it.

But there is another way of looking at it, particularly in these cold winter months.

Instead of thinking Standing Charge you could regard it as “Free” electricity.

For example:
On Standard Variable Contract electricity with OVO is currently 28.43p per kWh. (That may be different where you live).
Which means that for your £15 reward you could run a 1kW fan heater for 52-3/4 hours.
Giving yourself an hours extra concentrated heating boost each morning or evening, both on some days.
Oh, and because you're using it outside of peak hours it counts as off-peak usage towards Power Move on weekdays.

That is extra use so probably not very green, but it will help keep your fingers and toes warm.

I said, Hey - Watts going on.
Emmanuelle_OVO
Retired Moderator
Retired Moderator
January 15, 2024

What an interesting discussion! 🙂

 

Very insightful, certainly not the first time I’ve heard the issue of the name similarity being raised. It’s caused some confusion, i’ll definitely put forward this feedback internally. 

Renewable Energy? Big Fan.