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Solar storage - How can I work out what sized batteries I need?

  • March 23, 2022
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We have a 12 panel array which is feeding into our  Pylontech US3000 battery. 
On a good day like today our battery is 90% full the panels are producing 2.97kwh. As our usage is low at this time, 2pm, the energy produced by the panels is being fed into the grid. 
we are just about to go onto a new tariff paying 44p/kwh   
A new Pylontech US5000 battery will cost £1400. 
Is an additional battery worth investing in? Not sure how to work it out. We are currently producing between 1/3 and ½ of our daily usage   This obviously goes down considerably in winter months between 1-3kWh depending on the weather.
All our hot water at this time of year is coming from the panels via a solar iboost to an immersion heater 
Summary, half our production on a sunny day is being fed to the grid. What can I do? How many batteries would I need. 

Best answer by Sean T

Hi all, my installation begins tomorrow in time for the end of the RHI payments. I have opted for 12.5kW of solar PV, 2 Tesla batteries and a Vaillant Arotherm plus ASHP. I currently use 40 kWh/day, which is expected to rise to 60kWh/day when the ASHP becomes active. My calculations are based upon the following - I am on a variable tariff of 28p/kWh due to an inoperable smart meter (that’s another story for another thread!). I currently have an oil boiler which has cost me £1,850 for 2600L over the past 12 months for CH and hot water. However oil costs are currently £1,500/1000L so if that remains for the foreseeable future my projected oil costs will be £3,900/year. Based on my current 40kWh/day at 28p/kWh and the oil costs my annual energy bill would be £4,088 + £3,900 = £7,988. Switching to the ASHP and buying from the grid at an average of 60kWh/day would result in an energy cost of £6,132/year, so simply moving to the ASHP will save me £1,856/year (provided it does what it says on tin and electricity costs and oil costs remain as they are now). The 12.5kW of solar PV is projected to produce 10,299kWh/year. Now I appreciate that this is not linear over the year and this is where it begins to become guess work until my 1st year of experimentation has been completed. However, my purchase from the grid will be reduced whatever happens and even if this results in me being able to use 80% of what I generate due to the 2 Tesla batteries then my energy costs will be 60kWh/day x 365 days = 21,900kWh/year - 8,239kWh/year (utilised 80% of generated solar PV) = 13,661 x 28p = £3,825. So on current prices my new system will save me £4,163/year over my current system. The entire new system is costing me £38,000 with a RHI payment of £11,600, so an actual outlay of £26,400, which will take me approx 6.5 years to repay, then I’m saving £4k/year in energy costs. In the future I may install further solar PV and another Tesla battery if that takes up some of the £3,825 from the grid, or alternatively a wind turbine to produce more of the winter requirement and level the annual curve. I will let you know how I get on but my entire system should be installed and active within the next 2 weeks (the solar PV install is now delayed until after 1/4/22 so i get 0% VAT after today's budget!). 

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BPLightlog
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Super User
May 2, 2022

Dropping in to ask a similar question.

 

We're getting a 16 panel east/west solar PV installation (7 east, 9 west) and I'm trying to work out if it's worth getting a battery. The company have offered a battery at a really good price (£3200 for 9.9kWh, £1800 for 3.3kWh, 6.5kWh somewhere between those two) that I'm unlikely to be able to match if I buy one later. So do I take a chance and get one now or do I wait and see what our usage and export is?

 

We're a 4 person household using a lot of electricity because we have a heat pump, although our usage is a lot higher in the winter when there is less solar generation. We plan to use a diverter to heat our hot water and possibly a Zappi to charge our car (currently a phev but the next one will be an ev).

Having had solar PV for sometime and more recently seen the daily use vs feed in to grid I would say that it’s definitely worth installing battery storage. It will take a similar time for your investment return (it was 9 years on our solar array) but with energy costs increasing as they are you should certainly benefit by using more of your generated solar energy. 
If you’re still unsure, why not monitor your daily use and compare to predicted solar production. 

Bring me Sunshine ~ E&E {Solar PV, Battery Storage, Hybrid EV, ASHP and Home Assistant automation}
Jess_OVO
OVO Staff
OVO Staff
May 3, 2022

Great question and advice here, @M.isterW and @BPLightlog.

 

Given the increased interest wonder whether we might need to cover solar storage options in more depth on our Solar PV guide:
 

 

Do let us know which option you decide to go for, @M.isterW.

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Tim_OVO
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May 31, 2022

We're getting a 16 panel east/west solar PV installation (7 east, 9 west) and I'm trying to work out if it's worth getting a battery.

 

@M.isterW have you decided on your need for energy storage alongside your solar panels? 

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M.isterW
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May 31, 2022

After much deliberation we're going for a fairly small battery (3.3kWh). The rationale is.…

- It's cheaper to fit a battery at the same time as the solar panels. You save on vat (0% if fitted with solar panels, 20% if fitted afterwards) and you can use a hybrid inverter to manage both panels and battery. If you fit a battery later you may need a separate inverter, or swap out an existing solar inverter for a hybrid.

- We were offered the batteries at a really good price.

- The payback period on a small battery will be shorter than a large battery. I'm quite confident that we will make full use of a 3.3kWh battery. I don't know how much more benefit we'd get from a bigger one, particularly as we have other options for using spare solar PV.

- The system we're installing allows for additional batteries to be plugged in. That means we can fit more at a later date without paying for someone to install them.

1992 4 bed detached house. Solar PV + battery, Zappi EV charger, Mitsubishi Ecodan ASHP and i-life2 fan assisted radiators.... No gas 😊
Tim_OVO
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May 31, 2022

I’m looking forward to hearing about how this smaller storage battery performs in your home, @M.isterW - that rationale makes a lot of sense!

 

When is the storage and solar going in?

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M.isterW
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May 31, 2022

Not until September. The installers are really busy.

1992 4 bed detached house. Solar PV + battery, Zappi EV charger, Mitsubishi Ecodan ASHP and i-life2 fan assisted radiators.... No gas 😊