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Solar storage - How can I work out what sized batteries I need?

  • March 23, 2022
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We have a 12 panel array which is feeding into our  Pylontech US3000 battery. 
On a good day like today our battery is 90% full the panels are producing 2.97kwh. As our usage is low at this time, 2pm, the energy produced by the panels is being fed into the grid. 
we are just about to go onto a new tariff paying 44p/kwh   
A new Pylontech US5000 battery will cost £1400. 
Is an additional battery worth investing in? Not sure how to work it out. We are currently producing between 1/3 and ½ of our daily usage   This obviously goes down considerably in winter months between 1-3kWh depending on the weather.
All our hot water at this time of year is coming from the panels via a solar iboost to an immersion heater 
Summary, half our production on a sunny day is being fed to the grid. What can I do? How many batteries would I need. 

Best answer by Sean T

Hi all, my installation begins tomorrow in time for the end of the RHI payments. I have opted for 12.5kW of solar PV, 2 Tesla batteries and a Vaillant Arotherm plus ASHP. I currently use 40 kWh/day, which is expected to rise to 60kWh/day when the ASHP becomes active. My calculations are based upon the following - I am on a variable tariff of 28p/kWh due to an inoperable smart meter (that’s another story for another thread!). I currently have an oil boiler which has cost me £1,850 for 2600L over the past 12 months for CH and hot water. However oil costs are currently £1,500/1000L so if that remains for the foreseeable future my projected oil costs will be £3,900/year. Based on my current 40kWh/day at 28p/kWh and the oil costs my annual energy bill would be £4,088 + £3,900 = £7,988. Switching to the ASHP and buying from the grid at an average of 60kWh/day would result in an energy cost of £6,132/year, so simply moving to the ASHP will save me £1,856/year (provided it does what it says on tin and electricity costs and oil costs remain as they are now). The 12.5kW of solar PV is projected to produce 10,299kWh/year. Now I appreciate that this is not linear over the year and this is where it begins to become guess work until my 1st year of experimentation has been completed. However, my purchase from the grid will be reduced whatever happens and even if this results in me being able to use 80% of what I generate due to the 2 Tesla batteries then my energy costs will be 60kWh/day x 365 days = 21,900kWh/year - 8,239kWh/year (utilised 80% of generated solar PV) = 13,661 x 28p = £3,825. So on current prices my new system will save me £4,163/year over my current system. The entire new system is costing me £38,000 with a RHI payment of £11,600, so an actual outlay of £26,400, which will take me approx 6.5 years to repay, then I’m saving £4k/year in energy costs. In the future I may install further solar PV and another Tesla battery if that takes up some of the £3,825 from the grid, or alternatively a wind turbine to produce more of the winter requirement and level the annual curve. I will let you know how I get on but my entire system should be installed and active within the next 2 weeks (the solar PV install is now delayed until after 1/4/22 so i get 0% VAT after today's budget!). 

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Tim_OVO
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March 23, 2022

Good question @philipH,

 

I know some other forum members have mentioned making similar calculations and they may be willing to give their thoughts:

 

@Mark C @Graham110011 @chrisjw37 @Llamedospete and @Sean T are the first that come to mind… I think @timciren has 2 storage batteries… also @EverythingNeedsAUserName @hambrook and @f0rtune may be willing to step in here.

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philipHAuthor
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March 23, 2022

Thanks Tim. Look forward to some good insight into this

P

Newcomer
March 23, 2022

Hi philipH

If you don’t have sporadic and excessive power demands, such as EV charging, then you should be able to use an app to calculate how much you’re sending to the grid on your best days (potential for storage) and how much you’re consuming from the grid and when. If you’re sending to the grid all day and draining your battery before the sun starts charging it again then it may be worth considering an additional battery.

Newcomer
March 23, 2022

I’m guessing 2.97kW is how much the panels are producing now? Better to look at the total amount produced in a day and how much is sent to the grid. Our 16 panels generate anything between 15 and 30+kWh per day in the summer (295w panels on different faces of a roof). 

We’ll have to defer to some maths here…. it’s excel time…

If there’s more than 5kWh being sent to the grid on a regular basis you could probably make use of an additional 5kWh battery. 

Payback time is going to depend on the number of days you send back 5kWh to the grid (i.e. when would a full 8kWh battery pack be charged up). At £1,400 and 44p/kWh I’m guessing the payback period wouldn’t be very long at all. 

EVM on YouTube has some (painfully dull, but quite informative) videos on home battery storage that might be worth a watch. 

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M.isterW
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March 23, 2022

Why are you paying 44p kWh? Isn't the variable tariff a lot less than this (approx 29p)?

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Jeffus
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March 23, 2022

Did you lock in at 44p on a fixed rate tariff recently? That does sound particularly high. Is that including VAT? 

philipHAuthor
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March 23, 2022

We were with green energy @11p/kwh that went up to 22 Shell took over when Green went bust and we have just been informed that their new variable rate will be 44p/kWh 

Jeffus
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March 23, 2022

We were with green energy @11p/kwh that went up to 22 Shell took over when Green went bust and we have just been informed that their new variable rate will be 44p/kWh 

The price cap does vary by region, how you pay etc. so although it varies i would expect it to be around 28p if you are on a single price capped variable tariff

44p doesn't sound right unless they have put you on a fixed rate. Might be worth going back and checking with them?

philipHAuthor
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March 23, 2022

Thanks @Jeffus  I shall look into it

philipHAuthor
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March 23, 2022

@f0rtune 

today our panels produced 14kwh

We consumed 17kwh excluding this evenings use. Our battery was full by midday but the bulk of our use was before the batteries had charged. 
our feed in today has been 7kwh because the battery was full and our usage at the time was low. So at that rate we are sending half of our production to the grid. We are not on any feed in tariff

thanks

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