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December 5, 2023
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Power Move Plus- Really low target? Unachievable?

  • December 5, 2023
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This Power Move Plus is getting a joke now the first one I had to get under 0.5 than it was 0.3 now it's 0.2 i see a pattern emerging here next it will be 0.0 if I wasn't able to achieve it at 0.3 why do there think i can at 0.2. It's like it's been set up to fail.

OVO seems to be the only energy company that is going for low % most other companies have just asked customers to try to reduce there energy to lower than they would usually use for the time allocated.

Best answer by Nukecad

Had an email today saying I had missed my February Power Move target……for 22 of the 29 days of February the house was empty and the heating off🤷🏼

The clue is in the name.

Power MOVE is about MOVING your usage out of peak hours into off-peak hours.

It is NOT about reducing your overall usage.

If the house was empty then you reduced the overall useage - but you didn't, you couldn't, MOVE anything from peak to off-peak.

To put it in other words you have to have a peak usage to MOVE, if there is no (peak) usage then there is nothing to be moved.

72 replies

Rank 6
December 5, 2023

Could it be because they are using the last fortnights figures, to set our targets, including the previous events in that period, which is clearly pretty silly!!!  They should clearly exclude them to be fair!!!!

Also, I note that for one of the events I was paid only £1 a unit, where the National Grid is paying between £3 and £6 for these periods???   So OVO made a “profit” of at least 200% on my efforts!!!!

      Rgds,

              Steve

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nukecad
Super User
Super User
December 5, 2023

The Demand Flexibility Scheme (AKA Power Move Plus) is not about rewarding customers.

It is all about protecting the distribution network by people reducing their energy use when there is a predicted possible excessive load, or even overload, about to happen.

That is why the events are always at short notice, they are a quick reaction needed to try and mitigate what might be about to happen.

If you like then it’s a “Be a good citizen” scheme rather than a reward scheme.

If you are a low electricity user anyway then what you would be able to do to reduce your usage further and help towards that aim of protecting the grid is a drop in the ocean.
(But lots of drops can add up to a full ocean).

If you are a low electricity user then feel free not to participate in the Demand Flexibility Scheme (AKA Power Move Plus) ‘Events’.
I personally have no qualms about not participating in them, the tiny reduction that I could make is not going to make any noticable difference to demand on the grid.

I said, Hey - Watts going on.
Lucky2Author
Rank 5
December 5, 2023

@MGSteve I have no idea how this is set up but it's definitely not setup for low users, I'm already reducing my energy as I'm doing Power Move.

 

 

Lucky2Author
Rank 5
December 5, 2023

@Nukecad i understand what you are saying but for me and I suspect many others the monetary aspect is a factor even if it is a small amount as it all helps at the end of the month especially if you  already doing the Power Move.

Nukecad
Super User
Super User
December 5, 2023

If you are already doing Power Move then it’s very unlikely that you will have anything other than a low target for a Power Move Plus event.

Because of the very nature of the DFS events they are always more likely to happen during the Power Move hours.

It’s unfortunate that someone chose to use such similar names for them, they are different things with different aims.

I said, Hey - Watts going on.
Rank 6
December 5, 2023

I seem to have kicked a hornet’s nest here!!!  

From the National Grid site it actually says “The Demand Flexibility Service (DFS) allows you to earn rewards for shifting electricity usage outside of peak demand hours. This allows the Electricity System Operator (ESO) to manage supply through periods when margins are tight. “ - so I really do think that OVO ought to be passing (the majority of) the rebate they get on to us.

     What do other users (and not obviously OVO employees!!!) think???

          Rgds,

                  Steve

 

 

 

 

Jeffus
Rank 20
Rank 20
December 5, 2023

This evenings Power Move Plus / Demand Flexibility event tonight is a test event.

The reason the National Grid ESO have given for the late notice is to see how quickly domestic and business customers can respond.

There is no expected tight supply of electricity expected tonight, unlike the last live event

The more people that take part the better, however small their contribution. I encourage everyone to take part if they can.

This will help the National Grid ESO prepare for the future.

The more the National Grid ESO can see we can reduce the peak demand, the less infrastructure will be needed longer term, the less standby gas power stations, the less mass storage, the cheaper the unit rate and standing charges will be. The people that benefit long term are us with smaller bills.

 

Rank 2
December 5, 2023

@Nukecad is spot on in his analysis. I also have no qualms about not participating in the "Plus" scheme. I was a low user before either of the schemes existed, mainly because of being a pensioner on a modest fixed income. Partaking in the Power Move scheme isn't actually reducing my consumption ( it was as low as I could get it anyway! ). The only way I could successfully join the "Plus" scheme would be to switch everything off during reduction periods and go to the pub! Mmmmm........?

 

Rank 6
December 5, 2023

Everybody’s electricity use is different; but there seem to be quite a few people like me who are already quite light electricity users, and are finding it difficult to achieve the Power Move targets.

But, I can benefit from Power Move Plus, but I need to run up my central heating, and my fridge & freezer down beforehand, as well as using my laptop rather than the TV during the period (and turning the lights out and using candles).  This is realistic to do (and quite fun) to do occasionally, but doing it every day would be a pain.

    Rgds,

                 Steve

 

Nukecad
Super User
Super User
December 5, 2023

switch everything off during reduction periods and go to the pub! Mmmmm........?

 

Is there a Standing (at-the-bar) charge? 😄

I said, Hey - Watts going on.