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Nonsensical target for Power Move Plus

  • November 15, 2023
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Here is the main text from the email that I just received:

 

Your Power Move Plus target.

 

Your personal Power Move Plus target for this event is 0.5 kWh.

 

Avoid using non-essential electricity between 5pm and 6pm on Thursday 16 November and for every kWh you shift below your target, you’ll receive £3 towards your energy bill.

 

It is impossible for me to achieve even 1 KWh below the target of 0.5 KWh! 

 

Can any Ovo person, or anyone else for that matter, make any sense of this? 

Best answer by Emmanuelle_OVO

Hey @Simon 1402,

 

From the team:

 

The credit of £3 per kWh is pro-rata, so if they use 0kWh between 5pm and 6pm on Thursday 16 November they will get £1.50 credit. 

120 replies

Gillarms
Rank 4
Rank 4
November 15, 2023

You're lucky! My target is 0.2kWh 😐. If we're getting £3 back for every 1kWh, does that mean if I use nothing, I'll get 60p? To use nothing, I guess I'll have to turn off my lights, my TV, my router and my fridge freezer. I won't be able to read a book in the dark and I won't be able to browse the Internet as I'll have no Internet. Just to save a possible 60p (if that's how it works). I've opted in but I think I'll be giving this green initiative a miss.

 

Garms
Rank 6
November 15, 2023

Well my target is 0.1 kWh!??  I cant see how I can even get the 60p lol! 

Rank 7
November 15, 2023

My target is 0.1kwh !!! I will be in the dark with a candle. Mine is 0.03 or 0.04 a half hour basics. If i only put a light on its 0.06 or 0.07 on each half hr which would immediately take me over the target set.

 

As this session is in the original power move time zone i am on my basics in the first place so i have no other room to manouevre.

Yes spotted the £3 instead of original £2.40 good news, but still doesnt get me far.

Using a candle i can get under my target by 0.02 to 0.04 kwh, so assuming part kwh is paid then a credit of 6p to 12p for the whole hr! An extra brussel sprout for xmas🤣

Nukecad
Super User
Super User
November 15, 2023

LOL. My target is also 0.1 kWh. Guess who won’t be opting in.

We’ve said before on this forum that if you are a low user anyway, and particularly if you are already reducing usage at peak times for the Power Move scheme, then Power Move Plus is not going to be achievable (and so not profitable) for you.

Of course many who have joined Power Move Plus are already doing Power Move, so we will all be in the same boat of having ridiculously low peak time targets.

If they do a trial with a target period outside of the usual peak hours then we may get a highter target for that period and so stand a chance.
(Do a 7pm to 8pm one and a lot of Power Mover’s who have been delaying cooking until after 7 will get a much higher target)

It is interesting to see that they are offering the full £3 per kWh reduction though, they had said it would be £2.40.

To answer the original question:
If @Simon 1402  uses zero electricity between 5 and 6 tomorrow then he would have shifted/used 0.5 kWh below his target and would be rewarded with £1.50.

I said, Hey - Watts going on.
Newcomer
November 15, 2023

I thought it was a joke when I seen my target as 0.1 kWh 😅 glad I’m not the only one 😂

Gillarms
Rank 4
Rank 4
November 15, 2023

Well my target is 0.1 kWh!??  I cant see how I can even get the 60p lol! 

How can anyone be expected to cut back to 0.1kWh? Is there something about this PMP that I'm missing? Are we supposed to cut our usage by 0.5, 0.2 or 0.1kWh instead of using that amount? I don't think so but that's the only way these figures make any sense.

Garms
Nukecad
Super User
Super User
November 15, 2023

Well my target is 0.1 kWh!??  I cant see how I can even get the 60p lol! 

How can anyone be expected to cut back to 0.1kWh? Is there something about this PMP that I'm missing? Are we supposed to cut our usage by 0.5, 0.2 or 0.1kWh instead of using that amount? I don't think so but that's the only way these figures make any sense.

Yes that’s the point of Power Move Plus.
I’ve posted more about it’s aims in a post below this one.

Your are not expected to cut back to the target, that target is based on what you already use during the period.

You have to cut back below that target, and get rewarded for how far below it you can get.

Obviously if your target is 0.1 kWh then the most that you can cut from it is 0.1 kWh.
So if you threw the main breaker in your consumer unit and cut off your supply altogether for the target hour then you would be rewarded with 30p.

I said, Hey - Watts going on.
Rank 7
November 15, 2023

@Gillarms its whatever amount you cut back to get below your target x £3 you will receive. With my basic only of 0.03 or 0.04 kwh per half hr ive literally got 0.02 to 0.04 kwh to reach my target if i dont use anymore than my absolute basic. I might be going for a nightime walk or a walk around supermarket.  Might pay a neighbour a visit🤣🤣 ive opted in just to see what the outcome is and will do a candle for an hr

November 15, 2023

Blimey, I thought mine was bad but 0.1 KWh. Stupid, stupid, stupid! 

Nukecad
Super User
Super User
November 15, 2023

I think it's a perception issue.

This national DFS scheme (Power Move Plus at OVO) is aimed at getting energy users to move their consumption out of predicted 'capacity emergency' peaks.
Aparently last years trial was quite successful with comercial users.
What they/we are doing now is an expansion trial of how such a scheme might work with domestic users.

But it seems to me that the only people taking notice of it at the moment are the already low users, who to be frank won't make much (or rather won't make enough) difference in any 'capicity emergency'.
That's clearly shown by the low targets we have - what difference will (even thousands of us) shifting 0.1 kWh make to a 'capacity emergency'.

They need to reach thousands of higher energy users who can shift/cut 3, 4, 5, or more kWh use each from the predicted emergency - and somehow motivate them to take part.
This might be sterotyping but I see the problem there being that the high energy users are the ones who don't care (until the system overloads and they get a power cut at which point they will shout).

I said, Hey - Watts going on.