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Meter installation issue- not commissioned

  • August 19, 2024
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Hi folks,

I had an OVO engineer round today to install an isolator switch after my meter so that I can get work done on the consumer units safely, no issues with that - all went fine.

Upon putting the power back on he said that my meter (a Secure Liberty 100 SMETS1 model) wasn’t ‘talking to OVO’ and suggested that he swap it out for a new one while he was here. At no cost to me so I said fine.

Sadly however the new meter (a Aclara SGM SMETS2 model) could not pick up the WAN at all and he was unable to commission it. He said that it might pick it up in the future and someone could come and commission it then, but more likely it will just act as a ‘dumb’ meter until such time as Arqiva improve the radio coverage in my area.

As I understand it the old meter would have used GSM networks to communicate rather than the Arqiva radio system which is why it was able to function fine in smart mode and the new one cannot.

Can anybody advise on what the likely outcome is here? It is frustrating to have to go back to taking meter readings, but I am more concerned that my account details are correctly updated given that the meter cannot be commissioned and I end up with estimated bills.

Any thoughts or experience welcomed.

Thanks

Best answer by Firedog

Updated on 14/04/25 by Abby_OVO

… it will just act as a ‘dumb’ meter until such time as Arqiva improve the radio coverage in my area.

 

 

This is sadly not an uncommon experience. There are a number of ways forward, with no suggestion on my part of which if any might work for you:

  • There is allegedly a mechanism called ‘buddy mode’ in which the communications hub (CH) on your meter can connect to another similar one nearby which is able to reach Arqiva. I’ve not read of anyone in this situation though, but it’s not impossible.
  • Trials are being conducted with ‘dual-mode’ CHs which contain a SIM so that if long-range radio (LRR) isn’t working, the CH tries to connect to a mobile network. This has apparently been successful particularly in urban areas where the topography gets in the way of the LRR signal.
  • I have recently been reading fascinating discussions about practical solutions involving variously fanciful  methods of ‘boosting’ the LRR signal on site. In some cases, it’s been enough to erect a repeater aerial that picks up the Arqiva signal and conducts it to another close by the CH with no need to touch the CH itself (which is probably illegal). Here’s a start: There is hope for anybody trying to get a smart meter in a poor signal area | Speak EV

 

I’d also point out that there are plenty of examples of local interference affecting the CH connection. It’s worth spending a bit of time to move anything which might be radiating near the meter to eliminate this.

I’m afraid it’s a question of either waiting - months or even years - for DCC and/or suppliers to come up with an acceptable solution, or taking matters into your own hands. 

 

We’ve got some similar topics on the Forum which may also be helpful:

 

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Blastoise186
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Super User
August 25, 2024

It takes up to six weeks for a newly installed Smart Meter to fully commission - Smart readings might not show up during the process until the meter is ready.

As for the estimates? If you rarely submit readings, it makes it harder for OVO - and the industry as a whole - to get reasonable guesses. Estimates should never be relied on - there’s a 100% chance they’ll be wrong no matter who your supplier is.

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August 25, 2024

Thanks, but if you read above you’ll see that it was not commissioned at all as there is no WAN signal here. I have to wait until Arqiva improve their coverage. My queries regarding the account updating are related to the meter number only, I know full well that I will not be able to have smart readings for some time (months/years) but I cannot even submit a manual reading until that happens.

I agree that estimates are never going to be 100% correct, my question was more to do with why they’re three times higher than the established usage pattern which the previous working smart meter gave them data for.

In short - OVO know I use about 4-5 kWh per day but their system is estimating my usage at three times that. 

Firedog
Super User
Super User
August 25, 2024

OVO know I use about 4-5 kWh per day but their system is estimating my usage at three times that.

 

This is not uncommon. Apparently, when a meter is replaced (the technical term is Meter Exchange, commonly referred to as MEX), historical data from the same supply point are disregarded for some purposes, like estimates of usage. Instead, OVO seem to use an ‘industry average’ which may well be very different from what the actual usage has been. It shouldn’t matter too much, depending on how you pay. If you pay by Direct Debit, you may find that it’s set far too high because of this disregard for historical data. That should only last a couple of months, though, at which point it will be reviewed. Any credit you build up would come in handy to cover high winter bills.

Be sure to take regular meter readings - weekly is not too often - and keep a record of them safe, perhaps with a photo to back them up every month. Evidence like this is vital when doing battle with the DD SS, which you sadly may end up having to do.

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Should you end up paying too much, it will all come out in the wash once your account is up and running and you’re able to submit regular readings. It’s best to submit them in the morning of the first day of your billing period; that way, you’ll get real bills with no estimates involved.

 

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August 27, 2024

I have had some interesting correspondence with DCC today. These paragraphs particularly:

“Thank you for your email regarding the Smart Metering Wide Area Network (SM WAN) coverage to your property. 

I'm sorry but your energy supplier is correct,  our network doesn’t currently cover your postcode.

Unfortunately, around 0.7% or circa 200,000 premises nationally, fall into postcodes where it wasn’t viable to provide coverage because of topography or low population density. These postcodes were identified when the network was designed and built some 10 years ago.”

 

So the obvious question is - if my postcode is in a dead spot which has been known for 10 years then why did OVO install a meter that they knew would not work?

Apparently a 4G solution is being tested for deployment in 2025 so I would hope I would be a priority for this. 

Firedog
Super User
Super User
August 27, 2024

... why did OVO install a meter that they knew would not work?

 

“...would not work” isn’t strictly true. It’s a meter’s job to measure, and this is what your new meter will do. What it can’t do, even though it was designed to, is send its measurements automatically to your supplier, so you’ll have to do that yourself until it can. So it is working, but just not with all the advanced functions. You are no worse off than before.

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Blastoise186
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Super User
August 27, 2024

4G is coming soon - I can confirm that. Please watch the Forum for updates.

Even if the meter can’t connect, sometimes the swap just has to happen anyway due to the old one being end of service life - it can always be connected later after all. The MOST critical functionality is that it can record meter readings locally, everything else is secondary.

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Rank 2
August 27, 2024

“You are no worse off than before”

Not true, I had a working smart meter before.

 

I presume when 4G comes they will just be able to swap the comms module on top of the meter rather than change the whole thing out?

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
August 27, 2024

FWIW you’re better off with SMETS2 anyway - they’ll be far easier to upgrade to 4G than any SMETS1 unit. We’ve seen some info on how suppliers are planning to do it. Once it goes public, we’ll be able to talk about it more openly.

Long story short, yup. The comms hub can just be swapped out.

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August 28, 2024

Pleased to report that the account finally updated today to show the new meter number and a zero reading on the day it was fitted. I can now put my readings in again and so will continue to do so until DCC pull their finger out and get the network functional.

OVO are still hugely over-estimating my usage but that obviously gets overwritten with actual data each time I do a reading so I’ll do it every week to minimise the risk of estimated bills. 

Emmanuelle_OVO
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August 29, 2024

I’m really glad to hear that you can now submit meter readings as the online account has been updated with your new meter details @Retroanaconda. As you say, every meter reading you submit will adjust the estimates.

 

If you’re eligible for the Priority Services Register you can opt in to have regular meter readers attend your property.

 

Priority Services Register (PSR)

 

You can sign up if you or anyone in your household might need practical support, when it comes to managing your energy. That could be because of a medical reason, you’re pregnant, you have children under 5, you’re over 65, or you don’t read or speak English well.

What does the PSR offer? 

  • Gas Safety Checks
  • Engineer Passwords where you can agree a password with your supplier that the engineer will give you before entering your property
  • Adapted communications including black & white print, braille, large print
  • Warnings about planned power cuts in your area
  • Regular meter readers to attend your property

Find out more about it here.

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