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March 2023- Simpler Energy Variable Plan VS Fixed

  • March 24, 2023
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I too am on the Variable Simpler Energy Plan and have received an email that the prices are going to increase. They say the prices are based on November 2022 wholesale prices which were extremely high, but are advising switching to a Fixed Tariff, which I assume is based on November 2022 prices.

Today the wholesale prices of energy are down 70% surely it must be better to be variable if the prices are going to drop, rather than tie myself into high November prices.

August 2022 £320.00 / Megawatt. March 2023 £44.50 / Megawatt.

Best answer by Jeffus

Updated on 14/09/23 by Abby_OVO

Hi @Geoff Dickson i don't work for ovo, i am just a customer like you.

As you say the wholesale prices have fallen recently so if they stay low, then the default variable rate will fall on 1st July when the next OFGEM window starts, to below the current fixed rate offer hopefully. 

Hopefully also if the wholesale prices stay low we may also see more choice and hopefully even lower fixed prices from suppliers. 

So it is a judgement call, fix now for certainty or assume there won't be any more global events that cause prices to spike again and stay on the variable rate for now. What do you think will happen to wholesale prices? Do you think they will spike again? 

I don't think there is a wrong answer. We can only all make a reasonable judgement call based on the risks we are willing to take. Many people fixed in October 2021 on what looked like high fixed rate offers but saved a lot as the variable rate shot up. The experts don't always get it right in terms of predicting the future. 

I think you are tempted to assume wholesale rates will stay low? Are you going to stay on the variable rate? 

As you say the Energy Price Guarantee limits the unit rates of gas and electric so that on average a typical consumer (12000kWh gas, 2900 kWh Electricity) would pay no more that 2500 a year now and 3000 a year from 1st July to 31st March for their energy usage and standing charges including VAT. If you use more energy you will pay more than the 2500 and 3000.

Ofgem set the standing charge maximum rates for the default variable tariff, so you could ask them for a definitive answer about why they have increased them this time. 

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/publications/ofgem-announces-latest-quarterly-price-cap-update

consumeraffairs@ofgem.gov.uk

 

21 replies

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
March 27, 2023

Here’s how I see it.

OVO is now offering a fixed rate deal, but it’s completely optional and completely down to your personal choice as to whether you actually want to take the offer up or not. I see no harm in that, especially when it’s NOT being done as a “you MUST take this fix deal wither you like it or not” thing.

If you don’t want it, then simply don’t sign up to it.

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kopweb
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March 27, 2023

I agree with you, @Blastoise186.  What OVO are offering makes sense for them as a business decision.  It’s up to us whether we sign up for it, or wait to see what happens in the wider market.  In the 6 years since I joined them, they have usually been quick to respond to market forces and to do so innovatively and more responsibly than some other suppliers.

I suspect swallowing SSE Hydro caused a good deal of corporate indigestion, so it is not surprising that this fix offer looks on the surface to be slightly risk-averse (for them).

Emmanuelle_OVO
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March 28, 2023

Hey @kopweb and @Geoff Dickson,

 

It’s an interesting debate, our fixed rate contact is significantly cheaper than the recently announced Ofgem Price Cap and cheaper than variable prices that are currently capped by the Government's Energy price Guarantee.

 

 

Given the energy crisis, some customers might feel more secure fixing into a plan as those who fixed in previously were protected from significant price increases. However, it is completely up to the customer as to whether they’d prefer to stay in their current variable plan. 

 

We’re returning to the market with a new Fixed Tariff!

 

We’re now offering a new Fixed Tariff which will be a One Year Fixed product and will be available to our existing customers only. The tariff will be priced at approximately £2,275 for the duration of the 12 month contract - based on a customer who’s an average consumption user, and pays by Direct Debit. This is cheaper that the Government's Energy Price Guarantee, which is £2500. Remember -This is based on an average user. If a customer leaves the tariff before the end of their term, exit fees will apply of £75 per fuel.

This Fixed Tariff will be available to Pay Monthly customers only. Unfortunately, at this time we won’t be able to offer this Fixed Tariff to our Pay As You Go (PayG) customers. This is something we’re currently working on and we hope to open up our Fixed Tariffs to PayG customers in the future.

 

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juliamc
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March 28, 2023

What does PayM stand for @Emmanuelle_OVO ?

Blastoise186
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Super User
March 28, 2023

Pay Monthly. :)

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Emmanuelle_OVO
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March 28, 2023

Sorry @juliamc for that jargon- I’ve updated it 😊

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juliamc
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March 28, 2023

So direct debit and pay on receipt of bill..

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March 30, 2023

So what is the Government’s Price Guarantee of £2,500.00 p.a. When I am paying £500.00/month, do I only pay this for 5 months. That is the way!  

Firedog
Super User
Super User
March 30, 2023

So what is the Government’s Price Guarantee of £2,500.00 p.a. 

If you’re paying £500 a month, you’re not the average household. This is all clearly explained in countless places, but here are some figures for you to peruse:
  

  

The magic £2500 is outlined in red; the bottom picture shows the current situation, the top one what takes effect on Saturday. These are the average rates in Great Britain; they are higher in some parts of the country and lower in others as you can see on the pages these figures came from. Suppliers may charge less but not more than the published rates. 

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March 31, 2023

Thank you for that Firedog, still doesn’t make sense to me, it’s along the lines of a “Price Cap “ which also makes no sense when it isn’t a cap, it’s just more claptrap from the idiots in charge.  I am your average household but Ovo kindly pay 5% interest when you are in credit better than any bank or building society, so it makes sense to be in credit. 
Take care. Geoff