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August 6, 2024
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Is the new power move criteria a con?

  • August 6, 2024
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I have got my feedback for this months Powermove and I’ve made it to 6.94%, i.e £5. I’ve never had anything other than the maximum before. During 6-9 Monday to Friday we do not cook with electricty, we do not use the washing machine or tumble drier, not even the iron or the toaster and we minimise the light. We use everything outside those hours, so how, in the name of all that is holy, can we not have made it to a £10 discount? We go to great efforts to do this, because we believe it’s constructive, but either I’ve got this wrong or OVO are conning us.

Best answer by Nukecad

For those shouting "Con" - please think about what you are saying.

How can something that doesn't cost you anything to take part and gives you a chance of earning a reward be a 'con'?

To be "conned" you have to be losing something, and the ‘conner’ gaining something.

Fair enough you may try but not be able to reach the target, not everybody can reach the target, but it hasn't cost you anything if you want to try.
Even if your smart meter has not sent  enough readings so you can’t then take part that month it hasn’t cost you amything.

Neither does OVO gain anything from it - in fact it costs them to run and costs them more if/when you do earn a reward.

Call it “dissappointing” if you don’t or can’t meet the targets.
Call it “frustrating” if your Smart Meter plays up and doesn’t send the required readings.
But calling it a “con” is simply incorrect.

37 replies

Newcomer
August 6, 2024

I am sure it isn’t a con as such but the target levels are completely impossible to meet if you are a low electricity user. When the target were higher the only reason we got any reward was because we doubled our electricity consumption by using the immersion to heat the water tank during off peak hours. The problem is though that with kerosene at 56p per litre it is way more expensive to use the immersion heater than it is to have the oil boiler heat the water. The immersion puts up the electricity consumption by nearly 6kWh per day but the boiler only uses about one litre of kerosene to do the say job. In fact it does more because we heat the water to a lower temperature when using the immersion. 
 

We have given up trying to reduce consumption during the peak hours now. The dishwasher goes on whenever now rather than after peak and the oven gets used whenever the cooking lady wants to cook something irrespective. But our daily electricity consumption was an average of 5.08 kWH per day in July. So relatively low. Salad days I suppose do help. In June when the immersion programmer was on the average was 10.78 kWh per day.

 

 

 

Rank 5
August 6, 2024

No, it's not a con.  It's difficult to achieve but I've always hit the £10 jackpot !!!  The secret is, and a lot of people will disagree and say it's bad for your fridge and whatnot, but I turn off everything except the barest necessities at the electrical mains.  It knocked usage down to .02 kw every 30 minutes between 6 & 9 pm !!!!  To each their own.  I've hit the £10 target every month since this began !!!

Newcomer
August 6, 2024

Any opinions on Power Move? I've just had an email from OVO saying that I haven't reached my goal of 8%. (for July).As I saw people say somewhere else, I live alone, don't use anything other than lighting and the TV in the evenings, and don't see how I can reduce my usage any further.

I'd also like to know what OVO have to say. Has anyone asked them?

Peter E
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Super User
August 6, 2024

@Middlestreet In your case using kerosene is much more economic than using the immersion heater but doesn’t leave you any room for manoeuvre in trying to offset your in-peak usage with somewhat more out-of-peak usage with the immersion heater. Sometimes it’s a no win situation. Running an immersion heater on a standard tariff is not cheap. The only possible solution is to use the immersion heater just enough out of the peak to get the reward but the reward isn’t big enough in the summer to make it pay. It might not even pay with the £15 reward in the winter.

 

Peter

 

Reducing my yearly fossil fuel usage with an EV (-900 litres petrol), A2AHP (-8,700 kWh gas) and Timed Immersion heater (-1,500 kWh gas)
Rank 2
August 6, 2024

I used 2.86% this month and cooked with electric oven, infact, I have 2 ovens and the hob on just now for dinner. I also have a teenager whose Xbox is not off at all during peak times

I do batch cook at weekends but this is for ease after work but helps. 

I agree with previous comments, it is to do with your overall house consumption compared with your usage during peak hours.

I have a larger house and a DIY mad hubby (not forgetting teenager) so our usage is higher. By using all our electric guzzling appliances etc outwith peak hours it offsets against peak hours

Rank 9
August 6, 2024

It’s 100% a con, I was always hitting the maximum and then they kept changing the requirements. I live on my own and am very strict with my usage in the peak hours and barely earn £6. I renewed my contract with them for 2 years because I liked the power move initiative and it’s now pointless. 

They aslo anger me because when they take my direct debit at the start of the month it puts me nearly £600 in credit. I am supposed to have a credit electricity account, yet they are taking hundereds of pounds of me as a pensioner living on £15,000 a year as interest free loans. I need to find a more ethical supplier, but I’m not sure it exists! 

Go into the app and reduce your direct debit and/or ask for a refund.

Rank 9
August 6, 2024

It’s not a con but if you don’t use much power it’s difficult.  We used to hit the middle band regularly when weekends weren’t counting but now they are and the % is lower we will need to be much more pro active and not sure it’s worth the effort 

Rank 2
August 6, 2024

In the end it’s a choice. OVO would never ask anyone to make their lives impossible or even dangerous to achieve the targets. Some people, like myself, have an EV and they can charge out of the peak and this makes reaching the target a lot easier. However, you would also not want to be paying my electricity bill.

 

Proportionately, households using a small amount of power a month do much better than heavy users like me but find it much more difficult to meet the target. A few pounds off of my bill is hardly noticeable. A few pounds off a light user’s bill is probably quite significant. All OVO are asking you to do is to make an effort not to use peak time electricity and if you succeed then you are rewarded. It’s not a con as some users manage ok and we all have to meet the same targets. I will also be looking forward to going back to the same rewards that we had last winter.

 

Peter

 

Yeah I think we try to use less anyway, so the percentage is difficult. If you are big users then you can probably make this work

Rank 2
August 6, 2024

Interesting comments but I agree with those who are struggling to reach the target.  How do they assess your initial consumption and decide on what you need to save?  I don’t have a dishwasher, I do not use my tumble drier, I use the washing machine in the morning, we eat our main meal midday and tea is often not a cooked one (but I do have a gas hob)!  All the ideas are great but why should I, and others, have to struggle each day, doing weird things to keep food warm, cook, and other essentials.  Now that the nights are drawing in it is going to be even harder - we watch tv with one table lamp on!  I have decided it is not worth the effort for 38p, my last reward!  I want to live a hassle free life not one where I am constantly watching what I am using and cutting corners. YES IT IS A CON!

Rank 2
August 6, 2024

It’s 100% a con, I was always hitting the maximum and then they kept changing the requirements. I live on my own and am very strict with my usage in the peak hours and barely earn £6. I renewed my contract with them for 2 years because I liked the power move initiative and it’s now pointless. 

They aslo anger me because when they take my direct debit at the start of the month it puts me nearly £600 in credit. I am supposed to have a credit electricity account, yet they are taking hundereds of pounds of me as a pensioner living on £15,000 a year as interest free loans. I need to find a more ethical supplier, but I’m not sure it exists! 

Go into the app and reduce your direct debit and/or ask for a refund.

It’s 100% a con, I was always hitting the maximum and then they kept changing the requirements. I live on my own and am very strict with my usage in the peak hours and barely earn £6. I renewed my contract with them for 2 years because I liked the power move initiative and it’s now pointless. 

They aslo anger me because when they take my direct debit at the start of the month it puts me nearly £600 in credit. I am supposed to have a credit electricity account, yet they are taking hundereds of pounds of me as a pensioner living on £15,000 a year as interest free loans. I need to find a more ethical supplier, but I’m not sure it exists! 

Go into the app and reduce your direct debit and/or ask for a refund.

I have done this before and they always skew it towards me having paid my bills in advance. They tell me they are setting the payment correctly so I pay over the year, but this is a total lie, They set it so I have always paid in advance and lent them loads of money. I will try what you said though. Thank you