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Is a smart meter mandatory? As an amateur radio operator I'm worried the signals may interfere

  • January 1, 2022
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I am informed my meter is out of test and needs replacing. Am I obliged to have a smart meter? I have a complex WiFi arrangement with multiple access points, I run a local web and email server requiring constant power and I am also a practising licensed amateur radio operator regularly transmitting signals of the order of 50-100 Watts. I already experience serious interference from local sources such as VDSL and other people’s faulty “home plugs”. I have also read of all the issues which can arise from smart meter installation, including reports of electrical faults being introduced by the installing engineer (who on occasions with some companies has apparently been shown to be uncertified) and failure of the installation to properly communicate, giving users sometimes months of grief with much blame-passing between providers of various parts of the infrastructure. I would much prefer to stay un-smart and provide nice, simple meter readings! Is this possible, or am I legally obliged to go “smart”?

Best answer by Lukepeniket_OVO

Hello all and happy new year!

 

As @Blastoise186 has already mentioned smart is designed to not interfere with users installations through the use of ZigBee network, I Will say you both will know more than me about the wireless communications of technology but I believe you can find more information about it from government websites.

 

My manager has actually had smart (south central through the mobile networks) and is a keen radio enthusiast, HAM I believe, and has had no problems?

 

@Blastoise186  ofcourse my info and experience is for the South/Central CSP and the North might be slightly different? (Looking at you Fylingdales)

 

Edit 1: I didn't answer your question, no, smart meters are not compulsory at current but most tariffs require a smart meter to be installed.

 

Happy New Years, @FrancB 

 

Great to see our community experts @Blastoise186 AND @Lukepeniket_OVO offering you some tip-top smart meter advice over the festive-break. I won’t attempt to add to the great technical advice they’ve given but would advise you to check out this similar thread raised by a fellow radio enthusiast, which also suggests that the frequencies used by a Smart meter shouldn’t interfere with your radio signals.

 

We’d always recommend going smart as it comes with some great benefits, however as long as your meter is functioning and not due for re-certification you’re free to choose not to upgrade just yet! :slight_smile:

 

32 replies

Newcomer
January 16, 2022

There is a lot of useful information on this site https://www.smartme.co.uk/technical.html which could help you. It includes frequencies used.

FrancBAuthor
Rank 2
January 17, 2022

Thanks @MGreenwood - very useful!

FrancBAuthor
Rank 2
February 28, 2022

Just noticed that the moderators have altered the phrasing of my question slightly to suggest I am only concerned about interference to my hobby! I would like to stress that I am also concerned about my activities interfering with the meter. Close-range high power radio signals can affect equipment operating on frequencies far from those being transmitted. I’m aware of the issues with Fylingdales (which won’t affect me as I’m not in that area), but amateur radio power levels at only about ten metres away can have a far greater effect than thousands of watts a mile away. If you doubt that, check out the inverse square law concerning radio wave physics! I doubt it will be an issue, but knowing the operational frequencies of the meters helps. Thanks again for all the input!

Jess_OVO
OVO Staff
OVO Staff
March 1, 2022

Sorry for that slight mis-interpretation, @FrancB.

 

I’ve just updated the topic title so hope that clears things up - Thanks for popping back with more technical info :slight_smile:

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FrancBAuthor
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March 1, 2022

No problem, thanks Jess. Just wanted to point out it wasn’t just a one way concern!  :slight_smile:

Newcomer
January 18, 2023

Today I contacted OVO to advise my traditional style electric meter has ceased recording - actually I was surprised OVO had not contacted me as the reading I gave on the 16 Jan was identical to that of 16 Dec - the call handler took all details and advised there would be a delay as they would have to source the meter - a way I was given a date of 8 Feb for fitment. Later I received an email stating “Confirmation of your smart meter fitment” - I had made it very clear during my initial discussion that I did not want a smart meter, just a straight replacement. I then recontacted OVO and this time got a different call handler, who had a gruff attitude at the least, who, after I’d explained the issue, told me I would have to have a smart meter, it was compulsory- I then advised, when I was given a chance, that I knew this not to be the case, I was then told no traditional style meters were available and even if they were it would cost me up to £500 to be fitted - not bad for a job that takes around 45 minutes ! I advised the man that I would not be having a smart meter and could he please make sure this was advised - so far I have had no reply.

Have others had similar issues and what was the result ? I know I can get a traditional meter fitted, and at a lot( more than half) less than the cost I had quoted - I’m based in the Plymouth area so if anyone has any useful contacts please advise.

juliamc
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Rank 20
January 18, 2023

Why don’t you want a smart meter?

Blastoise186
Super User
Super User
January 18, 2023

There are no stocks left of traditional meters in OVO’s inventory anymore and there’s no plans to get more. This is in common with pretty much all other suppliers.

A £500 quote is about average as well. Not only would the main fuse have to be pulled at your expense, but you’d need permission from OVO to remove the existing meter and have OVO remove it at your cost (not cheap!) and get OVO’s permission to use your own meter, find one that OVO would allow you to use, buy it at your own cost, have it fitted at your own cost and have the DNO put the main fuse back in. You’re talking hundreds of pounds for this.

Or you can just accept OVO’s offer of a free one and simply ignore the data.

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M.isterW
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January 18, 2023

If you are desperate to keep reading the meter yourself instead of enjoying the benefit of having it read automatically you can ask OVO to put the meter in "dumb" mode. This means it won't send readings to OVO.

 

I'm not sure why you would do this... but you can.

 

 

 

 

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Blastoise186
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Super User
January 18, 2023

Plus you can also just go for Monthly readings only and have the meter NOT submit anything else except whatever the current basic meter reading is on the scheduled monthly read date. It wouldn’t include usage data, half-hourly snapshots, breakdowns… Just the current reading.

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