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November 9, 2024

Daily "life" has to stop between 4 - 7pm for Power Move challenge

  • November 9, 2024
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To meet the latest challenge (as of October '24 - I'm a newbie) I basically have to refrain from everything but the most vital electricity use between 4 - 7pm!

Extraordinarily difficult, because I'm already using approx. 60% less electricity compared with similar OVO households (according to OVO's app).

Hence, I have to

- boil the kettle prior to 4 pm to fill a flask for 2 cups of coffee or tea until 7 pm;

- defrost prepared dinners, ready to cook at 7.01 pm, stomach growling with hunger;

- walk around my flat in semi-darkness with the help of a torch (despite balance problems + sight difficulties!);

- battery-charge my laptop (I free-lance from home) + phone for hours before the crucial period;

- washing machine cycles strictly in the mornings;

- baths only in the evenings;

- miss the daily 6 pm news and watch it at 10 pm;

- try to read using the screen light of my laptop and/or phone torch;

- do any house work + cleaning before 4 pm;

etc. etc. etc.

I like a challenge, need to reduce my bill somehow and did in fact "earn" almost £2 off my bill for only 1 week in October '24 (message from OVO: "you're on your way meeting the £12 November target!"), but I realise - as many in this Forum have already pointed out - that this peak-time energy saving scenario only benefits high usage customers!

It's unfair to + unpractical for those 24/7-at-home dwellers (already energy conscious!) with physical disabilities and/or users with children!

Any more tips for me welcome!

 

Pinned Reply By Nukecad

I'm also a low electricity user (124.705 kWh last month) and have attained the maximum reward every month since I joined PM last November.

All that I really need to do is not use my electric hob/oven during the PM hours, use the microwave and air fryer sparingly*, and avoid using the electric kettle during PM and try to remember to fill a flask beforehand.

*Yes, I do still sometimes cook and eat during the PM hours, just not using the big hob/oven.

Pre-prepared, frozen and defrosted dishes, or ones that have been cooked earlier and left to cool, can be microwaved hot again in 3-5 minutes or so.
As can many store bought ready meals, although those can be expensive.
Frozen oven chips only take 10-12 mins in the Air Fryer, put sausages, chicken pieces/nuggets, or whatever in at the same time. (Tip- Hot Dog sausages air fry really well, just take them out of the jar/can and throw them in).

My PM philosophy, which works for me, is don't forgo the small energy usage stuff, but do avoid using anything 500 Watts or higher (except for a very short time such as 5 mins to microwave something).

Obviously I don't use the washing machine, hoover, or other power hungry appliances during PM, but as for the rest I don't really change anything.
The fridge.freezer (95W when the compressor is running) stays on, as does the gas CH (75W when the circulation pump is running).

My laptop stays plugged in, as is my router of course.
I can watch TV, films, whatever on that. Between them they use about 24 watts so unplugging those for 3 hours would save very little energy anyway.

(It you do prefer to watch a TV then use your IHD to see how many watts it consumes, turn it off completely, not standby, see how many kWh you IHD says you are using, turn it on again and see what kWh you are using now, the difference is what the TV is consuming.
TV power use can vary a lot depending on age, size, and manufacturer).

All my lightbulbs are 8.5W LED bulbs, so again not much saving by not using those whenever I want to. Although TBH I tend to use a 3W rechargeble wall light most of the time.

As said not everyone is going to be able to attain the Power Move targets, but for those that can then with a bit of thought you can work out what you need to avoid using during the PM hours, and what makes so little difference to PM that you can keep using it anyway.

27 replies

Newcomer
November 9, 2024

Ps - I don’t t use power at the weekend as that doesn’t count so I wait  until  weekdays for washing , batch cooking  etc!! Even hoovering!!!! 

Peter E
Super User
Super User
November 9, 2024

@Peter E My mistake I did mean duel Tariff.

 

Yes, it’s easy to get those confused.

 

There is an ongoing issue with the dual tariff restriction (I’m affected with my E7 tariff and previously took part and suceeded very well in these challenges). As a forum volunteer I can tell you that we have a team discussion coming up to air issues like this on behalf of customers. I’m hoping the issue is resolved in favour of giving E7/E10 customers at least some recognition for actively moving energy out of the peak.  But, it also has to be recognised that E7/E10 customers already move their energy out of the peak and get a discount for it at a reduced rate. From that perspective Power Move can be seen as dual tariff customers getting a double discount.

 

Perhaps one way of looking at it is this: If you went to a single rate meter would you be better off with a higher unit rate but getting the Power Move reward or would you be better off staying on the dual tariff? My guess is that if you are a heavy user (you have storage heaters etc.) you are better off on the E7/E10 tariff and as a light / very light user you would be better with a single tariff and hope to be consistent at getting the PM reward but any slip up and you would lose out.

 

Peter

 

Reducing my yearly fossil fuel usage with an EV (-900 litres petrol), A2AHP (-8,700 kWh gas) and Timed Immersion heater (-1,500 kWh gas)
Peter E
Super User
Super User
November 9, 2024

Ps - I don’t t use power at the weekend as that doesn’t count so I wait  until  weekdays for washing , batch cooking  etc!! Even hoovering!!!! 

 

That was the rule for the winter of 23/24 but it changed. Weekend use counts towards your out of peak usage.

 

Peter

Reducing my yearly fossil fuel usage with an EV (-900 litres petrol), A2AHP (-8,700 kWh gas) and Timed Immersion heater (-1,500 kWh gas)
Nukecad
Super User
Super User
November 9, 2024

I'm also a low electricity user (124.705 kWh last month) and have attained the maximum reward every month since I joined PM last November.

All that I really need to do is not use my electric hob/oven during the PM hours, use the microwave and air fryer sparingly*, and avoid using the electric kettle during PM and try to remember to fill a flask beforehand.

*Yes, I do still sometimes cook and eat during the PM hours, just not using the big hob/oven.

Pre-prepared, frozen and defrosted dishes, or ones that have been cooked earlier and left to cool, can be microwaved hot again in 3-5 minutes or so.
As can many store bought ready meals, although those can be expensive.
Frozen oven chips only take 10-12 mins in the Air Fryer, put sausages, chicken pieces/nuggets, or whatever in at the same time. (Tip- Hot Dog sausages air fry really well, just take them out of the jar/can and throw them in).

My PM philosophy, which works for me, is don't forgo the small energy usage stuff, but do avoid using anything 500 Watts or higher (except for a very short time such as 5 mins to microwave something).

Obviously I don't use the washing machine, hoover, or other power hungry appliances during PM, but as for the rest I don't really change anything.
The fridge.freezer (95W when the compressor is running) stays on, as does the gas CH (75W when the circulation pump is running).

My laptop stays plugged in, as is my router of course.
I can watch TV, films, whatever on that. Between them they use about 24 watts so unplugging those for 3 hours would save very little energy anyway.

(It you do prefer to watch a TV then use your IHD to see how many watts it consumes, turn it off completely, not standby, see how many kWh you IHD says you are using, turn it on again and see what kWh you are using now, the difference is what the TV is consuming.
TV power use can vary a lot depending on age, size, and manufacturer).

All my lightbulbs are 8.5W LED bulbs, so again not much saving by not using those whenever I want to. Although TBH I tend to use a 3W rechargeble wall light most of the time.

As said not everyone is going to be able to attain the Power Move targets, but for those that can then with a bit of thought you can work out what you need to avoid using during the PM hours, and what makes so little difference to PM that you can keep using it anyway.

I said, Hey - Watts going on.
Newcomer
November 9, 2024

Crikey - thanks Peter - I thought it didn’t happen at weekends- is all confusing . May as well hoover now ! Kay 

Rank 2
November 9, 2024

I've done about 3 full washes and my dehumidifier is on now... make the most of the weekends!

Rank 2
November 9, 2024

@Sanka14 
Whan I first joined the challenge I worked out the following tactics;

1. Buy wooly hats and fleeces for the whole family and insist that they wear them from 6pm as I think my target savings time is 6-9pm and as all heating, including the central heating system pumps and motorised valves will be switched off. If I switch off at 5.59pm for three hours it will take till past bedtime to crank the temperature up again so there‘s no real point switching it again at 9,01pm but I’ll have to burn some juice after 9pm to comply with the rules  

2 Absolutely no TV, radio, WiFi or electronic devices from 6-9pm . Smartphones and laptops will be allowed on battery mode but the Router will be off so everyone will have to use mobile data. Lighting will be kept to a minimum so reading books and newspapers will be rationed; we’ll probably have a rota to share the reading lamp  

3 People will be allowed to shower as we have a pressurised gravity fed hot water storage tank not a Combi nor electric shower, but hair dryers will not be allowed and nor will electric toothbrushes.

4 Obviously we will have to rearrange meal times as traditionally we eat quite late; so, as people will probably also rearrange their sleeping times we will simply move everything forward by a few hours; breakfast at 5am, lunch at 10.30 and dinner at about 5.30.  That will take some getting used to, as here in Spain we eat late; last night’s Salmorejo, Fabada Asturianos, Postres y Queso started at 9.15pm and finished around 11. Although maybe as an occasional treat I will stage a midnight feast when home? In fact, as we may have to take long walks from 6-9pm to keep ourselves amused without TV, WiFi etc, that’s an idea worth floating to the family to keep them on board. 
5 Washing machines aren’t usually in action in the evening so that’s not an issue, and we already don’t have a tumble dryer, preferring to use a clothes line except when it’s raining heavily but I’ll leave a note on the door asking evening visitors not to use the doorbell between 5.59 and 9.01pm as that’s wired into the domestic supply. 

Unfortunately this backfired - My kids rebelled, my wife divorced me, I fell apart emotionally, lost my job and I now sofa - surf.  But look on the bright side; my online bills still show in my in-box and I see that this month, my tactics finally paid off.  An email arrived saying I’d achieved Nirvana; “You hit your Power Move target!”… “Well done, you made it onto Tier 3 in October. That means £2.61 Power Move credit will soon be on its way to you...”  

Now, if I can only beg another £1.39 (I have a prime spot outside the station) I’ll be able to afford a cup of Costa Coffee!   

Peter E
Super User
Super User
November 9, 2024

Be careful to read the full challenge conditions that apply to you for that month because they can change. The FAQs which I've seen are the general ones which show how the calculation is done for both including and not including weekends and the peak times for the challenge which vary during the year.

 

In the summer it is 6-9pm and in the winter it is 4-7pm. You need to read the conditions for each challenge otherwise you can get caught out. This is not a deliberate move to catch you out but it's a reflection of the varying conditions imposed by the National Grid ESO on energy suppliers at different times of the year. Good luck and I hope you succeed because it can make a big difference to low energy users.

 

Peter

Reducing my yearly fossil fuel usage with an EV (-900 litres petrol), A2AHP (-8,700 kWh gas) and Timed Immersion heater (-1,500 kWh gas)
Rank 1
November 9, 2024

We are not a high usage household and we’re benefiting big time!

A retired couple at home 24/7 mostly, me with a dodgy hip (and the rest!).

Our October usage £21.54, OVO’s figure for similar homes £71.67. The Power Move email says we used 5.78% of total electricity during peak hours and so qualified for the £12 reward.

We’re not sitting in the dark twiddling our thumbs for three hours, the TV is on as are any necessary lights. The router is always on.  Yes, we have an alarm set for 15:45 to boil the kettle for a cup of tea and maybe a flask for later. The washing machine goes on in the mornings. If we plan to use the drier, then that’s a job for the weekend. We do have the advantage of a gas hob so we can have hot food whenever we want.  

 

 

Rank 2
November 9, 2024

I also live in a 1-bedroom flat - the difference is that my average combined monthly winter gas + electricity use comes to only approx. £56 (winter '23 + '22) - so I am a very low energy user already.

I’m consuming about the same as you and spend most of my time at home. I reach the tier 1 most of the time. I had tier 2 only once when the target was more challenging than this Winter Power Move. Power Move is not about how much electricity you use, but about how much of your daily usage is being used during a particular period. During this winter it is 4pm–7pm. Light bulbs (especially LED ones), TV, computer, and Wi-Fi router, are not going to make a big change, in other words – feel free to use them! It’s the devices like hob, washing machine, microwave, and kettle is better to use outside the said times. I don’t know about the water heating, some people have it heated by electricity, I’m guessing it is also better to use it outside the said times.