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Third-party access to smart meter data: recent failures

  • August 1, 2024
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Many of those who are used to retrieving their usage data from third parties have noticed an interruption in the service recently. For me, it started on 13 June and has yet to be resolved.

Third parties (called ‘other users’ by DCC) are supposed to be able, with the customer’s permission, to contact a smart meter and retrieve usage and tariff data stored in it, which they can then present in a friendly form and also make it possible to download the data. This is in many cases a more efficient system than what suppliers offer via their websites.

So far, we’ve heard from customers using n3rgy and Hugo, and also apps like Loop which piggyback on n3rgy to get the data. It appears that only those with Aclara meters are affected, although this may be a red herring: all of the affected customers I’ve come across have indeed Aclara meters, but another common factor is the communications hub - in all cases WNC. Both n3rgy and Hugo say that their credentials are not being accepted when they try to retrieve data, which suggests a fault with the secure DCC network rather than the meter itself. 

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It would help if you could give your region (the first two digits of the 13-digit MPAN), your supplier, the time stamp of the last data packet received and the make and model of the meter and the communications hub. Here are my details for starters:

Region 11 (East Midlands)
Supplier OVO
Meter Aclara SGM 1416B
CH WNC SKU1
Last data packet 13/06/2024 03:00

 

Best answer by sraper

Hey ​@sraper,

 

I’m really sorry to hear about the access issues you’re facing! It sounds frustrating. Maybe ​@JaneatGlow can jump in and help us figure out what’s going on?

 

Let’s keep our fingers crossed that we find a solution soon and get everything sorted out for you!

Hi both,

As of this morning, we still have almost 100 of our Glow users with an Aclara meter not getting data - and believe that any other ‘Other Users’ have the same issue. It is frustrating as of course it isn’t a priority for either the supplier, understandably as they are getting what they need to generate a bill, or the DCC.

Not that it helps but we’ve got a similar problem with a subset of Kaifa meters - but in that case there seems to be no pattern of model/firmware/comms hub variant…. 

And to think we put all this time in for what is a free service to the market on our part! 😂

Sorry not to have anything more positive to update on.

Thanks for the update 

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Shads_OVO
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September 23, 2024

Hi @JaneatGlow,

 

Welcome to our forum. Thanks for stopping by with an update on this, it’s really appreciated.

 

Please feel free to reach out to myself or our other forum moderators @Chris_OVO, @Emmanuelle_OVO or @Abby_OVO if there’s anything we can help with, e.g. updating our relevant threads once this problem is resolved.

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September 23, 2024

Please feel free to reach out to myself or our other forum moderators @Chris_OVO@Emmanuelle_OVO or @Abby_OVO if there’s anything we can help with, e.g. updating our relevant threads once this problem is resolved.

 

Thanks for the welcome @Shads_OVO - progress is very slow but when we have something concrete we’ll let you know, of course!

Newcomer
November 1, 2024

Glad I found this via google - exact same problem here in the north of England and OVO customer service have been struggling to even understand what the hell the DCC is..

I’m missing all Electric data since 19th March 2024. 
Bright, Hugo & Loop all report the same.

Firedog
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November 1, 2024

 - exact same problem … I’m missing all Electric data since 19th March 2024. 
Bright, Hugo & Loop all report the same.
 

Sorry, Degsy - could you clarify a bit? Are you saying that OVO are getting your Hh data, but none of the third parties can? Or that nobody can get them?

 

Noel | I have no official status; I'm just a volunteer who comes here to help other customers. My gear: Aclara SGM 1416-B Electricity-only E7 meter; Chameleon IHD3-PPMID-AAA | It may look as if I know what I’m talking about, but don’t let that fool you. |
Newcomer
November 1, 2024

OVO receive the meter reads correctly - just the electric data is missing for 3rd party apps since March.

Newcomer
November 1, 2024

Hello everyone - to confirm, the energy supplier gets the data from the Aclara meters just fine - but the DCC Other User role (which is what Hildebrand, n3rgy and CGI carry) cannot get the data for a subset of meters. Some come back and start reporting - and we aren’t sure why.

DCC and the meter manufacturer continue with their investigations; and we keep checking in on their progress.

Newcomer
November 1, 2024

Thanks for the info Jane. 

Its not a great look for such an important organisation thats housing all of our data. 

Firedog
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November 1, 2024

  

OVO receive the meter reads correctly - just the electric data is missing for 3rd party apps since March.
 

OK, thanks. The first suggestion would be to remove the various accounts altogether, and possibly uninstall the apps so long as there aren’t any data there you haven’t salted away safely. Then re-install and set up the account again. There’s some indication that existing accounts that have lost communication to the meter don’t get it back again unless the app is required to start again from scratch.

The support staff are usually helpful; I’ve had sterling service from both Bright and Hugo. n3rgy appear to have gone off in a huff and aren’t accepting new accounts, possibly explained by this rant: (11) Consumer Consent Calamity | LinkedIn  

Noel | I have no official status; I'm just a volunteer who comes here to help other customers. My gear: Aclara SGM 1416-B Electricity-only E7 meter; Chameleon IHD3-PPMID-AAA | It may look as if I know what I’m talking about, but don’t let that fool you. |
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November 1, 2024

I only setup Bright today after reading about it on here and it’s returned the exact same last update date as the other apps. It’s not an app issue, it’s the data getting to the DCC as per the above. 
 

I’ve also had excellent comms from both loop and Hugo - it’s just OVO themselves that seem clueless (although I think they were being purposefully “clueless” to buy themselves extra time as it is clearly a known issue to both OVO staff and the DCC staff). 
 

This is after having an issue about 2 years ago with the gas meter not sending readings to OVO and not one person anywhere could figure it out. They resorted to ripping the meter out and replacing it. 
 

I’m a technical engineer, so this type of incompetence is extremely frustrating. 

Firedog
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November 1, 2024

- it’s just OVO themselves that seem clueless (although I think they were being purposefully “clueless” to buy themselves extra time as it is clearly a known issue to both OVO staff and the DCC staff). 
  

 

I don’t think OVO are at fault here. Access to your data on the meter is controlled exclusively by DCC, and OVO have no part to play. They are aware of the problems faced by some customers having difficulty retrieving data via third parties, but there’s nothing they can do other than tell DCC about the unhappy customers. Not incompetence, but impotence. Be grateful that Jane and Clive from Bright and Aclara’s engineers are keeping the pressure up on DCC to get the system working again.  

Noel | I have no official status; I'm just a volunteer who comes here to help other customers. My gear: Aclara SGM 1416-B Electricity-only E7 meter; Chameleon IHD3-PPMID-AAA | It may look as if I know what I’m talking about, but don’t let that fool you. |