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Effect of smart meters on AV2 Homeplug ethernet networks

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I’ve recently received an email stating that my analogue Electricity Meter is out of its Certification Period and needs replacing. I suspect that replacing like for like will not be an option so I may have to have a Smart Meter.

I don’t (and won’t) use WiFi. I’m sometimes told mockingly that I am a member of the “Tin Hat Club” – well each to their own.

Instead I use AV2 MIMO Homeplugs (made by Solwise/AZTech) to route Ethernet traffic around my flat. Some people disparage this as “legacy” technology but my experience with it over many years has been excellent. It is extremely reliable and the actual achieved transfer rates are good – 350Mbits/second between two PCs some way apart in different rooms (measured using iperf3).

I’ve seen several reports that Smart Electricity Meters introduce noise onto the mains which can disrupt AV2 Homeplug working. There’s a post on this forum :-

https://forum.ovoenergy.com/the-archive-149/smart-meter-and-powerline-wi-fi-extenders-no-signal-issues-14986

in which the poster states that his powerline adapters became almost useless immediately following a Smart Meter installation. The replies seem to be assuming that the issue was solely down to a WiFi channel clash but I wonder if there may have been an underlying mains electrical issue behind it.

 

Question 1 :-

Are there steps which can be taken to minimise any interference to the AV2 Homeplug Network? For example could some sort of noise filter be introduced between the Smart Electricity Meter and the Consumer Unit?

 

The email I’ve received makes no mention of replacing the analogue Gas Meter. I’m told by neighbours who have had Smart Electricity Meters installed that the Gas Meters have had to be left alone because they are much too far away (and separated by brick walls and concrete floors) for the 2.4 GHz HAN signal to allow inter-meter communications.

Which then brings me on to the relatively new Alt-HAN technology. I don’t know if this would be a potential solution here but what concerns me particularly is that it relies on Powerline networking using the G.hn protocol. This can coexist (but not interoperate) with AV2 but at the electrical level they will fight one another and performance of both will likely be affected – perhaps seriously.

 

Question 2 :-

Have any studies been done to investigate the effect of Alt HAN G.hn networking on a customer’s existing AV2 Ethernet network? Does the Alt HAN equipment use the enhanced “G.hn Prime” chipsets which claim to work well alongside AV2?

 

Many thanks if any forum members can help with these two questions!

Best answer by Blastoise186

Hi ​@AGuy ,

Just a heads up - I have a BTEC Level 5 HND in IT.

Unfortunately development of pretty much ALL HomePlug, HomePlug AV and HomePlug AV2 standards was mostly abandoned in October 2016. There has been little to no further development or maintenance since then. Records indicate that it was totally abandoned around June 2022, possibly before then.

The best you can hope for is that your HomePlug AV2 kit doesn’t mess with G.hn. IIRC you’d  likely have nightmares though - so keep that in mind. There is no fix for this as HomePlug development is dead and it would have required the HomePlug Powerline Alliance to help with that (which is also dead).

Alternatively, you may wish to explore other network topology options, especially if you’re sticky about not using Wi-Fi. Your only option in that situation I can think of is to run CAT6 cables in the walls and do it that way for your network. I’d suggest talking to a network installer for help with that.

Question 1 :-

Are there steps which can be taken to minimise any interference to the AV2 Homeplug Network? For example could some sort of noise filter be introduced between the Smart Electricity Meter and the Consumer Unit?

Sorry, but not really - IIRC it’s kinda out-of-scope of the work, especially with Alt-HAN and would prevent it from working at all. Smart Meters shouldn’t affect it though - but poorly designed HomePlugs will mess things up anyway.

Question 2 :-

Have any studies been done to investigate the effect of Alt HAN G.hn networking on a customer’s existing AV2 Ethernet network? Does the Alt HAN equipment use the enhanced “G.hn Prime” chipsets which claim to work well alongside AV2?

With HomePlug basically dead long before Alt-HAN began development, there are no known studies or research for this. It is unlikely that any will be conducted.

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AGuyAuthor
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December 18, 2025

I have always had a deep interest in Railways but not professionally.

I originally wanted to be an Electronics Engineer. I left school at the end of 1964 and had about 9 months before starting University. I managed to wangle a temporary job through a friend’s Uncle in the Research Lab of a Computer Manufacturer. The lab covered both HW and SW activities and on Day One still at the tender age of 17 I was asked if I’d be happy to do some programming as they had a need. Of course I said “fine”. There was no Assembler so the programming was done in absolute machine code. Every time you wanted to add any instructions you had to manually recalculate any affected jumps.

Three years later there had been some mergers and I joined what had then become the parent group of that original firm. By now Assembly Languages were in vogue but in the early 1970s they switched to the Algol 68 like language. Its compiler produced extremely efficient object code.

Not sure how relevant this is to the OVO forum so I’ll stop here!

Blastoise186
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December 18, 2025

 

Not sure how relevant this is to the OVO forum so I’ll stop here!

Good news for ya - the House Rules are actually pretty chill about that as we go off of context. Since you’re talking about network stuff anyway and how it plays nice (or not) with Smart Meters, we’re cool about it. In fact, we actually LOVE these technical discussions here.

We’re always chill about it because it actually helps other users out (you’ll be surprised!). Since you’re not trying to use it as a chance to plug your online store or make money out of the Forum, that’s one of the things which makes us way more OK with it. :)

If you’d like to get official word from the Forum Moderators, we can totally request that for you too, but hopefully this unofficial explanation helps for now.

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Peter E
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December 19, 2025

Good point about going off piste but it's sometimes nice to make a bit more of a connection with a customer. It compensates for the ones who have no respect for people trying to help them. A machine code junkie. You don't meet many of those. Punch card progamming. What was wrong with that?

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AGuyAuthor
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December 19, 2025

 

Not sure how relevant this is to the OVO forum so I’ll stop here!

Good news for ya - the House Rules are actually pretty chill about that as we go off of context. Since you’re talking about network stuff anyway and how it plays nice (or not) with Smart Meters, we’re cool about it. In fact, we actually LOVE these technical discussions here.

We’re always chill about it because it actually helps other users out (you’ll be surprised!). Since you’re not trying to use it as a chance to plug your online store or make money out of the Forum, that’s one of the things which makes us way more OK with it. :)

If you’d like to get official word from the Forum Moderators, we can totally request that for you too, but hopefully this unofficial explanation helps for now.

Thanks for those reassuring words!

AGuyAuthor
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December 19, 2025

Good point about going off piste but it's sometimes nice to make a bit more of a connection with a customer. It compensates for the ones who have no respect for people trying to help them. A machine code junkie. You don't meet many of those. Punch card progamming. What was wrong with that?

Back in 1965 the lab was using paper tape (rather than punch cards) mostly to input programs. They had high speed paper tape readers on the computers and slightly less high speed paper tape punches. There were no magnetic discs yet but several magnetic tape decks. Paper tapes were prepared on typewriter-like machines called Friden Flexowriters. These displayed what was being typed on a paper roll and a paper tape could be loaded and its entire contents printed. It could also be copied to another paper tape (there was a slow paper tape punch attached as well as the reader) and there were some rudimentary editing facilities. I remember writing a program which would read the paper tapes on a computer reader at high speed and back them up to mag tape from where copies could be made using the computer’s card punch much faster than a Flexowriter could copy. Also by copying from one mag tape to another you had secure backup on an arguably more resilient medium than the paper tape which was prone to tearing. Happy times!

Firedog
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December 19, 2025

“I left school at the end of 1964 and had about 9 months before starting University. I managed to wangle a temporary … “

This was exactly me. too. My ‘temporary … ’ was six months in the apprentice school of a Spanish steelworks, where I learnt a great deal about machine tools and technical drawing, which helpfully exempted me from a compulsory ‘workshop practice’ course at some stage in my first undergraduate year. I also made many lasting friendships among the ebullient youth of an obscure Asturian town.

My introduction to real computing also involved paper tape, but our time as undergraduates on EDSAC2 was strictly limited to three minutes per session - one second beyond and the procedure stopped. I can’t be sure at this distance, but I think I remember EDSAC2’s decommissioning. Someone put a vase of daffodils on top of the I/O console and the old lady printed out her own epitaph, which I can’t remember. Happy times indeed!

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AGuyAuthor
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December 19, 2025

My introduction to real computing also involved paper tape, but our time as undergraduates on EDSAC2 was strictly limited to three minutes per session - one second beyond and the procedure stopped. I can’t be sure at this distance, but I think I remember EDSAC2’s decommissioning. Someone put a vase of daffodils on top of the I/O console and the old lady printed out her own epitaph, which I can’t remember. Happy times indeed!

Computer time was indeed precious and every attempt was made to maximise utilisation. Because my temporary position was of a lowly status I was eligible for generous overtime on top of my modest basic wages. So I sometimes worked an entire night shift or all day Sunday at enhanced rates to top up my earnings. Often I would be under the wing of a Graduate Engineer who would complain that at his grade no overtime was paid. For the night shift one enterprising such Engineer had negotiated that in lieu of extra pay the Company would provide a bottle of whisky to sustain him through the night. Of course I was expected to assist him in consuming it. On the Sundays we were entitled to a lunch. The Company canteen of course was closed and in fact the only place open for miles around was a very expensive French restaurant. So we lunched in great style at Company expense!