Power Move - new challenge information and changes to Power Move

Okay can we see the odds presented then, as the PowerMove team calculates them? If you’re running a lottery scheme then it’s only fair to give the people partaking a reasonable and transparent idea of what their odds and likely rewards are.

But the starting point (as per the calcs at the bottom of page 1 of this thread) are that if you get 12 entries a month, your average winnings will be 10p or less per month. I assumed that there were 1,000,000 people enrolled in power move and that each would get, on average 5 entries per month. If OVO predicts different values to this, then lets see the OVO predictions and how that plays out into the odds and predicted “winnings” for an average punter. But seriously, the numbers (odds or winning and/or prize values) would have to improve by a factor of about 100 to increase my prediction of <10 p per month to any sensible value of £10 per month reward.

I for one will not be taking part in this new power move. It's bad enough that the price of electric and gas is kept high by ofgem to cover for the people who hit the price cap but moving my electric use and paying full price for it all just to give the savings to someone else is not on. As an Engineer I know how much peak electric can cost and I didn't mind moving it for my cut of the savings. Now I will use it when I wont and probably use more at peak times as a protest. If I wasn't signed up for the solar panels I would now probably move suppliers as this deal is rubbish. Also now worried the solar deal may have backhanded costs

Haven't misunderstood a single thing about PM since the day I joined having met the target at an average of 1.5% to 2% each month. Go back and read my post on page 3. The last line of your comment is exactly what I'd already said.

I have no issue with power move. OVO is entitled to do whatever they want within the law and have made PM just as accessible and achievable to very low users such as myself to meet the full quota. It would have been nice to have had the certainty of money rewards in the future as we have had up until now but there we are. The 2% is still achievable for the £10 reward for some people. Those people will just turn everything off and either go to bed, go for a walk or all gather round the candle and have a seance to old grandma.

On page 2 of this thread, Chris_OVO said : “The £10 credit for people whose peak is less than 2% runs until the end of May 2025, after that it will be prize draw entries only, explained in the terms - 4.4 Until 31st May 2025, any customer who has peak usage of less than 2.00% (1.99% or below) will also receive £10 energy bill credit, as well as their prize draw entries.”

So your reward for sitting in the dark between 5 and 7pm reduce to <10p a month from 31st May. Still got no issue with that?!

What OVO is doing is an interesting experiment in manipulation of customers. We’ve all been trained up in reducing usage on weekday peak hours, and we’ve been happy to do it because there was a tangible reward for stumbling about in the dark with barely any lights on.

Now they are hoping that people will continue with those modified and often inconvenient usage patterns, clinging on to the vain hope of winning £50 or £2000. But the odds of winning that £50 or £2000 are so low that your average reward per month will be < 10p per month.

Today is 31st Jan, the last day that any tangible reward will come for PowerMove.

So this evening, I’ll spend half an hour removing the timer from the fridge, resetting the heating controls so it comes on at 5PM and the house is warm when I get in, and I’ll be using the oven and boiling the kettle between the hours of 5 and 7 on a weekday evening whenever I fancy it. I haven’t enjoyed those luxuries for a year or two now. I was prepared to adjust my life that way for £12 or £15 a month, but not for <10p per month.

 ^ I’m with him/her, although i don’t agree on the odds, but OVO won’t share the odds.

Its making me smile, thinking that the washing machine can be on earlier, meaning that the tumble dryer finishes earlier… Simple things. 

And I’m going to smile even more when I end up winning the £2,000 energy credits multiple times from the massively increased odds and you won’t win anything after all of you quit. :D

Because yup, one person can win the top prize multiple times in a row. Unlikely, but not impossible!

Cutting your nose off to spite your face is not the solution here. All you’ll be doing is making the energy bills for your area more expensive…

As I’ve said before, the nature of my volunteer duties in the fire service means I have a random schedule. Makes it SUPER easy to shift my usage out of Peak times - because I’m almost never in during Peak times anymore! :P

So how many people are in PowerMove. OVO won’t tell us.

There are 5 prizes of £2000 to be won every month.

If there are even as few as 100,000 people in PowerMove, then the odds of you winning that prize each month, if you have an average “number of entries” are about 5/100,000, or 0.00005.

That means you’ll have to wait on average 20,000 months, or 1666 years, to win the £2000. Good luck if you think you can fluke “multiple times from the massively increased odds” in your lifetime!

OVO won’t tell us how many people are in PowerMove. The only information we have is “there’s actually a lot more than 2 million customers on OVO’s books and waaaaay less than 1 million active Power Move players”

So how many active Power Move Players are there? I guess 100,000 in the sum above.

But even if the number is as low as 10,000, you’re still looking at winning £2000 once every 2000 months, i.e. every 166 years.

OVO’s asking us to enter a lottery where we’re not even given an idea of the odds, or likely reward, within a power of 10. All we can tell is that in all likelihood the odds just aren’t worth bothering with.

Some of that information has been released only to the Forum Volunteers. If you were to become one yourself, you’d be able to see behind the curtain. To get that status however, you’d need to help out and gain our trust. If you do, we’ll notice and may reach out.

But I will say this again. The advertised prizes might not be the only ones. Let’s just say your odds of winning something could be even higher than you think…

The National Lottery has ridiculously low odds of winning the Jackpot - and some US Lotteries have even lower odds still. Doesn’t stop MILLIONS of folks from entering anyway by submitting paid entries that could easily outweigh their winnings. At least OVO Power Move V2 doesn’t require payment to enter!

Hey everyone,

First of all, wow, this has been an explosive and super engaged article/thread. It’s been interesting reading through all of your points, opinions and feelings about the changes around Power Move as we head into 2025.

You can trust that all of this is being fed back to the relevant parties involved with Power Move and we’ll continue to do so on a regular basis.

I just would like to say, although some of us are clearly very passionate about the subject and some are not happy at all with the changes, I’d just like to urge everyone to try and stay on point as much as possible, trying to understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinions about this matter (positive or negative).

Our roles as forum moderators are quite simple, we want to bring all of our users important updates and information about changes/updates like Power Move etc from OVO., as well as making sure you’re all being given a fair chance at having your voices heard and that everyone’s following our forum community guidelines.

It’s important to stay on track so all of your points, suggestions and ideas can be clearly addressed and may help make the changes you’d like to see in the services/products OVO offers.

Thanks to all of you sharing your knowledge and being supportive to one another - I hope we can further this conversation on and make Power Move as great as we all want it to be!

Just before the Community Manager banishes us all, I’d ask you to compare this ‘billion pound’ profit to the equivalent figure the previous year. I think you’ll find that OVO Energy’s profit for 2023 (actually £817m) fell £458m short of their 2022 loss.