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THTC meter - Removal Request

  • January 10, 2024
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Hi folks,

 

I am trying to have a redundant THTC meter removed from my house and OVO seem to be refusing to do this. Can anyone help explain what I should do? Some background info below:

 

We moved to a property in March last year in the west of Scotland. The property has two meters with a THTC setup running storage heaters. We are getting the storage heaters removed in February and an air source heat pump installed. 

 

Once this work has been carried out there will be nothing running from the RadioTelemeter (THTC) meter.

 

I have contacted OVO by phone yesterday to request that this meter be removed once it is no longer in use. The person I spoke with said that OVO would not do this because doing so would stop the other (ordinary) meter working. They weren’t able to explain why this would be the case. After some time on the phone I was told that if I emailed OVO with evidence that the THTC meter would not powering anything then they could arrange for it to be removed. This seemed like a positive outcome although it was not clear why we were initially told in the call that removal wasn’t possible.

 

I sent an email last night attaching the quotes from our electrician and heating engineer for removal of storage heaters and replacement with heat pump etc. I got a positive response this morning:

I am Stephen from account management at OVO energy after reading your email we can go ahead and do that for you but i am going to give you extra information so to proceed with this job there is a charge due to the nature of it I would like to clarify that your okay with that and if you are i can go ahead and get you a price and and book the job for you.

 

Again this seemed positive and I asked Stephen to go ahead and give us a cost. I then had response email from Nahim:

Apologies for the confusion form what Stephan said but as of right now, appointments for removing THTC meters aren't available. We appreciate you gave us confirmation the property's heating system is no longer dependant.

However we are working on a new meter type that'll basically replace the current two meters and you'll get one meter. The meter will reveal at Spring and you'll get an email when your free meter upgrade is ready

 

As far as I understand it the ‘new meter type’ mentioned has been in development for years and has been repeatedly delayed. I have little to no confidence that it will arrive in spring as promised above. It isn’t clear why we should be expected to wait for this.

 

Ontop of that our experience from speaking to neighbours and friends locally is that smart meters are useless in this (rural) area since they are not able to connect to a radio mast for communication. Any smart meters fitted simply operate as ‘dumb’ meters in this area.

 

Can anyone give us some hope that it is possible to get the redundant THTC meter removed as we have requested? Is there any technical reason why this wouldn’t be possible?

 

Failing that at least any good reason why we should have to wait for the new meter to be developed and rolled out? It seems in this instance that whilst waiting we’d have headaches if we wanted to switch supplier etc because we’d have a strange setup with a redundant meter and two MPAN numbers associated with the property. This could go on indefinitely since the new meters are not yet launched.

 

Below is a photograph of our current setup incase this is useful:

 

 

We’d really appreciate any help on this!

 

Thanks

 

 

 

Best answer by Nukecad

They may well ask for consumer feedback later; once those initial proposals have been refined by industry discussions.

However at the moment that isn’t what they want or need.

So it’s best not to clog up their email with unwanted stuff that just takes up their time to deal with.
(There’s a word we all use for unwanted emails - spam).

Wait and see if they do ask for consumer feedback/opinion, but TBH there may not be time.
The clock is counting down and contingency plans need to be in place for when it reaches zero in June.

240 replies

OVO Engineer
April 29, 2025

Hello Everyone!!

Yes we are now installing South/Central Comms Hubs in the northern CSP region! Incredible!

Looking likely previous no WAN appointments will be reopened up to be attempted again!!

OVO Operations Excellence Manager and Former Field Operations Team Leader
Blastoise186
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Super User
April 29, 2025

Thanks Luke! Let me know where to send the cookies to! XD

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Newcomer
May 1, 2025

I’m happy to report that, as of yesterday, I am now the owner of a working 4G cellular Smart Meter!

The commissioning of the meter was a bit fiddly – one of the components had to be re-sited in order to pick up the cellular signal (poor signal here in the Highlands), but once resolved the meter registered and commissioned itself without issue.

I’ll keep an eye on it over the coming days.

To be honest, I’m in shock that this 2+ year odyssey now appears to be resolved - and keep staring at the meter in disbelief!!!

It’s likely that this cellular solution will resolve the RTS switch-off issues for thousands of users in the Highlands, if it can be rolled-out in time.

Firedog
Super User
Super User
May 1, 2025

I’m happy to report that, as of yesterday, I am now the owner of a working 4G cellular Smart Meter!
 

That is great news - congratulations!
    

… one of the components had to be re-sited in order to pick up the cellular signal …
 

I wonder if you could elaborate on this a bit. The normal set-up is for the Communications Hub (CH) to be intimately connected to the meter, i.e. fixed on top of it. In some situations, e.g. if the meter is in a metal box, this isn’t good news for communications, in which case it’s possible to move the CH up to 1.5m away and attach it to the meter by a flying lead. Another mitigation involves connecting an external antenna to the CH to capture the WAN signal. So, which ‘component’ was re-sited?

As always, photos of your new toy would be very welcome!    

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Nukecad
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Super User
May 1, 2025

Hopefullly this innovation is not going to be restricted to Shetland, and 4G coms hubs can now be an option for other Northern installations where Long Range Radio doesn't quite reach the spot.

AFAIK the restriction was just policy anyway and not for any technical reason. (Basically so that engineers didn't have to carry both types of coms hub? Even Luke seems surprised/amazed to see 4G hubs finally being officially deployed in the North).

Dual coms hubs will obviously help as they become available after the current testing.

Of course there are still going to be some places that cannot get either Long Range Radio or 4G signal.

Satellite broadband coms hub maybe? Don't hold your breath, but if there is a will to overcome the broadband security concerns (and a development budget) then no reason why not.

I said, Hey - Watts going on.
Firedog
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Super User
May 1, 2025

Hopefullly this innovation is not going to be restricted to Shetland, and 4G coms hubs can now be an option for other Northern installations where Long Range Radio doesn't quite reach the spot.
  

You might have missed this:

 

 

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Abby_OVO
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Community Manager
May 2, 2025

Hey ​@monster9 

 

Thank you for popping back with that amazing update!

 

We’re all so pleased to see that’s finally been resolved and the appointment was a success. 

 

Thank you for your patience though out all of the waiting for a solution. I know it wasn’t a smooth journey to get here, but I’m really pleased it’s ended in success, and will hopefully be a great solution for others in similar circumstances.

 

If you do ever have any other questions, always feel free to pop back any time.😊

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Newcomer
May 2, 2025

@Firedog 

“in which case it’s possible to move the CH up to 1.5m away and attach it to the meter by a flying lead


That’s exactly what the engineer did - he separated the 2 components and put a fly-lead between the two.

The Communications Hub now sits about 8 inches from the meter itself, and higher up on the wall.

Firedog
Super User
Super User
May 2, 2025

That’s exactly what the engineer did - he separated the 2 components and put a fly-lead between the two.

 

That’s just what I wanted to hear. Thanks so much for completing the picture for us 🙇‍♂️

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Nukecad
Super User
Super User
May 2, 2025

Hopefullly this innovation is not going to be restricted to Shetland, and 4G coms hubs can now be an option for other Northern installations where Long Range Radio doesn't quite reach the spot.
  

You might have missed this:

 

 

Ah, but today there is also this from a customer in Kinross:

The engineer today brought with him an English comms hubs, but OVO refused him permission to install it.

which I interpret as the engineer having one or more 4G coms hubs in his van, but not being allowed to fit one for reasons of policy:

 

I said, Hey - Watts going on.