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My new home has a Total Heating Total Control (THTC) system. How do they work?

  • September 15, 2022
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Hi all,

 

I’ve just come here from the MSE forum having been told that the meter system for an aberdeenshire council rented property I will be moving into soon is THTC.

This huge bundle of cables and boxes is truly terrifying to me. I’ve been looking at things regarding economy meters and THTC on the internet tonight and it all means absolutely nothing!

 

Add to that, the solar panels on the roof and it just becomes an even bigger mess. Apparently Octopus are the current supplier...

 

So I was wondering if anyone can help me understand this whole system before I move in in a couple of weeks time. Especially regarding how and what gets replaced to convert it to a (hopefully!) simpler smart meter system.

Most importantly, what do I do when I move in?

 

Thank you in advance.

 

Officer_Crabtree

Best answer by M.isterW

Updated on 11/08/26 by Ben_OVO

 

With THTC you have two meters that are charged at different rates. One meter (the more expensive one) is used for lights, cooking, normal sockets etc. That's everything in the consumer unit in your third picture.

 

The other meter is a cheaper rate and is for the stuff in the other two pictures. The storage heaters should be controlled by a radio switch. This means they should come on and off automatically and the timing is weather dependent. The water heater and panel heaters (it looks like you have three of these) are also on the cheap rate but are available all the time.

 

You have solar PV but it only feeds the stuff attached to your higher rate meter. It doesn't supply electricity to your heating.

 

Octopus doesn't support THTC so I've no idea how your system is working. I assume the radio switch is still receiving a signal to switch the storage heaters on and off. Your bill indicates that Octopus have the cheap rate meter on a two rate tariff but they're charging all the use at the lower rate. If you're happy with that and your heating is working I'd probably stick with it. OVO are supposed to be closing down the THTC radio signal next year so the system will have to be changed soon anyway.

 

Find out more about complex meter setups and the RTS shutdown in these articles:

 

 

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Blastoise186
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April 5, 2023

Realistically speaking, THTC is only suitable for Storage Heaters or possibly Immersion Heaters. It’s a terrible option for basically anything else

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Newcomer
April 5, 2023

And I have neither storage heaters nor immersion heater. I think there were storage heaters at some point but the previous owner changed to radiators.  

We moved in mid January and have been paying huge amounts for very little. 

Can any one advise on our best option?

Blastoise186
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April 5, 2023

I’d do what OVO suggests if possible. It’ll almost certainly be cheaper. Heat pumps don’t “store” anything as such, so tariffs like THTC are terrible for them

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juliamc
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April 5, 2023

Hi @Rosey What make is you heat pump ? can you post a photo of it. There’s a good few people on here who can help you get more out of it than huge bills !

You could find that you can heat the house during the cheap times available on your tariff, then turn it down during the expensive times, so the fabric of your house acts as the storage device. Whoever installed it probably should have left you some info on how they were running it. 

Blastoise186
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April 5, 2023

That’s the problem. THTC doesn’t have fixed times for the cheaper rate. It can be random and is controlled by the supplier via RTS.

Once the RTS Service eventually shuts down, all THTC meters will just run off of defaults and/or last known configs and the times will always be consistent, just like having a static timeswitch.

It’s impossible to predict when they’ll be. Taken from SSE:

What are the times for THTC?

The specific times for the off-peak rate depends on the weather forecast for your area, but you'll get between 5 and 12 hours each day. THTC works by storing up heat in your storage heaters and hot water tank during the off-peak times.

Other electric heaters and heated appliances can also be used on the cheaper rate. The off-peak rate is available 24 hours a day for panel heaters, focal point fires, bathroom heaters, towel rails, the hot water boost and even electric showers. You'll need to get an electrician to make sure all those appliances are connected to your cheaper-rate meter if you're not sure.

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juliamc
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April 5, 2023

Ah, gotcha 🤦‍♀️ I’ve clicked ‘like’ but I can’t say I do like it !!! 
So if the heat pump is wired into the off peak supply is that more expensive than the storage heater supply ? Ie three tiers ?

Blastoise186
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April 5, 2023

THTC is weird. I’m not even sure if you’d be allowed to wire a heat pump into either of the cheaper rates. I get the feeling it’d have to be the expensive one.

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juliamc
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April 5, 2023

It’s definitely worth setting the heat pump up to tick along quietly in the background the @Rosey i assume it’s doing your hot water ? Can you let us know what time it’s operating and the temp settings etc. ??

juliamc
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April 5, 2023

Having read back through this thread and found the link to Scarf: https://www.scarf.org.uk/householder/hes/home-renewables/  I wonder if anyone there can suggest the correct way to set up your heat pump to make best use of the thtc supply ??

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April 6, 2023

It’s impossible to predict when they’ll be. Taken from SSE:

What are the times for THTC?

The specific times for the off-peak rate depends on the weather forecast for your area, but you'll get between 5 and 12 hours each day. THTC works by storing up heat in your storage heaters and hot water tank during the off-peak times.

 

That’s the one thing I really don’t understand, even though SSE keep saying it. To me, THTC is predictable!

Heating charging from 1:40 AM - 7:40 AM and 1:40 PM - 4:40 PM.

 

Although that may just be me as I haven’t felt the need to switch from octopus to SSE in the 6 months since I posted this thread. Octopus bill the heating meter as a 24/7 off peak economy 7 meter.

 

Out of interest, does anyone know if SSE/Ovo has a list of all properties with exotic meters and would have a responsibility to inform such residents that their meters will need switching?