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How does OVO Energy calculate my Direct Debit?

How does OVO Energy calculate my Direct Debit?
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  • Carbon Cutter**
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  • August 30, 2023

Hi Blastoise186.

 

Thanks for the reply, I'm not trying to reduce my monthly payments I just don't want to be putting them up anymore. My point is thelat with every other company I've ever used it's sort of expected that you would build up credit during the summer and maybe go into a bit of a negative during the winter, that's kind of how it works isn't it?

 


Firedog
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  • August 30, 2023
Priceyred wrote:

… it's sort of expected that you would build up credit during the summer and maybe go into a bit of a negative during the winter, that's kind of how it works isn't it?

 

That’s how it works on rolling tariffs - i.e. variable plans. Your fixed-price contract, however, is for a limited period, at the end of which your balance should be close to zero - but not negative. That’s why you’re being asked to up your DD. It’s your choice, really - allow the £10 increase in DD to go ahead and pay off the expected shortfall over the months between now and the end of the contract, or make a top-up payment of £55 now and leave the DD as it is. 


  • Carbon Cutter*
  • 2 replies
  • September 6, 2023

As we are about to go into winter my balance ought to be in a good place, which it is. Currently paying £290 per month will your calculator says I will be in credit by £232 in 12 months time, so how the heck can it even suggest I lower the direct debit to £5 as a minimum?  It just does not compute.


  • Carbon Cutter*
  • 2 replies
  • September 7, 2023

It’s telling me £9 a month and it has to be a bug in the app as if you go to your account in a browser it will give a reasonable figure.

 

They ought to get onto this as it doesn’t inspire confidence and some may try to drop their payments to the recommended amount.

 


Emmanuelle_OVO
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  • 2562 replies
  • September 7, 2023

Hey @kwilson919,

 

If you go onto your browser as suggested by JohnCarter does it show a more sensible amount?


  • Carbon Cutter*
  • 2 replies
  • September 7, 2023

No, sadly it doesn’t as that is not working at all!


  • Carbon Cutter*
  • 2 replies
  • September 7, 2023

I think I can partly explain what is going on.

 

The app says I should pay £9 instead of my usual £180

 

The website which I said was correct says £180 is correct to cover me over the next 12 months,

 

but right now I’m £171 in credit and  if I click on ‘change amount’ on the website It then says £9 is correct for me because my 12 month period ends this month and £9 will make me break even on that date.

 

Presumably after that it will tell me to raise it again.

 

So it’s not wrong exactly., but needs addressing as it is confusing.

 


Firedog
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  • September 7, 2023
JohnCarter wrote:

… my 12 month period ends this month ...

Presumably after that it will tell me to raise it again.

 

This will be the case if you’re on a fixed-rate tariff. You’ll have to check both your Plan page and your Renewal page to see (a) when your contract ends, and (b) how much you can expect to have to pay per year from next month on. If this month’s Direct Debit is taken as usual, you’ll be quite comfortable with the prospect of a lower DD as prices fall from 1 October.


Jasmin10
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  • June 5, 2024

Hi Everyone,

When OVO work out my predicted cost for my usage until 31 Mar and offer a suggested Direct Debit amount, does this include my existing balance or is it purely worked out on what I pay per month versus what I will use by 31 Mar.

I have a healthy balance currently but if I ask for some of that to be refunded will my monthly Direct Debit go up?

Thank you.

Edit:

Apologies, I think I have read the answer now, yes the balance is taken into account. 

Would still be grateful if anyone can confirm this to be the case.


Nukecad
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  • Plan Zero Hero
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  • June 5, 2024

Yes the existing balance, credit or debit, is taken into account when calculating DDs and deducted (if credit) or added (if debit) to you predicted cost for future use.

When they first started calculating them (for Standerd Variable Tariff*) to reach zero on 31st March, rather than 12 months from when the calculation is done, that change led to some interestingly very high DD calculations for those with a largish debit balance - which because of the change then wanted paying off in less months than 12.

* If you fix your tariff then your DDs are calculated to attain a zero balance at the end date of the fix rather than 31st March.

In either case, variable of fixed tariff:
If you have a credit balance and withdaw some or all of it then your recommended DDs will increase accordingly so that they cover your predicted usage.

Conversely if you pay off a debit balance then your recommended DDs will reduce because you no longer have the debt part to pay each month.


Firedog
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  • June 5, 2024
Jasmin10 wrote:

Would still be grateful if anyone can confirm this to be the case.

 

If you use the Direct Debit calculator on the website, the button labelled Change Direct Debit amount will take you to the page where you can … errr … change the DD amount. On that page, just below the green button that you should be very wary of clicking is a message reading How we work it out. It’s quite a simple calculation for most people, apart from working out just how much to deduct from the expected annual usage for the bit beyond 31 March next year (or the end of the contract for those on a fixed-rate tariff).


Jasmin10
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  • Carbon Cutter*****
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  • June 5, 2024

Thank you, @Nukecad  for your helpful answer.

Thank you @Firedog too, that was what I found and read after I’d written my initial post 🤦🏻


Emmanuelle_OVO
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Hey @Jasmin10,

 

I can see other community members have already given some really helpful responses here 😊 Just wanted to add, the following topics may be helpful:

 

 


  • Carbon Cutter*
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  • August 12, 2024

Right folks, I’ve had a look around the forum and can’t see an recent answer or reply to this type query, so apologies if I’m asking a daft question.

I currently pay £X per month and this allows me to build up a fair amount of credit heading into the winter months, to the point even after winter bills, I still have a positive balance, last payment was the 1st Aug, meter readings were sent on the 9th Aug, currently £852 in credit.

I’m now at the stage where I’m being told my meters need replacing to smart meters*

(*smart meters send us accurate readings, so you only pay for what you use)

So, can someone please tell me, would my bills fluctuate or would my DD remain the same and it’s only my balance I owe/credit balance will be a more accurate reading?

I don’t want to suddenly be paying extra in winter, but less in summer, although it may appear even allowing for summer usage my DD is too high, I like to keep it constant.

 

Thanks.


BPLightlog
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  • August 12, 2024

Your dd is calculated in exactly the same way @Wullie. so the smart meter reading just helps to keep things up to date. 
Your payment is designed to be the same all year around 

 


  • Carbon Cutter*
  • 2 replies
  • August 12, 2024

Cheers, thanks for the answer.

 

 


  • Carbon Cutter*
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  • September 7, 2024

Hi I am moving next weekend and set up a new account with OVO through an app called Tili which my estate agents required me to use. I set it all up fine for a fixed term at £99 a month. Today I have received confirmation from OVO and although my direct debit amount is correct, they have put the costs as below which must be a typo as otherwise that is insane and impossible! I’ve tried contacting them through live chat but that is useless and the phones aren’t open until Monday.

Any help would be greatly appreciated! 

 


BPLightlog
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  • Plan Zero Hero
  • 2729 replies
  • September 7, 2024

Yes, there’s some odd calculations there. 
You can check yourself by using the unit prices and multiplying by the kWh expected usage. 
So

0.2404 x 1939 for Electric and

0.0644 x 9266 for Gas
Don’t forget to add on the standing charges too


Nukecad
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  • Plan Zero Hero
  • 736 replies
  • September 7, 2024

At a quick glance without calculating it all then it looks to be a factor of x100.

ie. £9900 a month instead of £99.

Looks like a programming/input error for that message and the figures for the rates and SCs have been used as £’s instead of pence?

Have you logged onto your new account and seen what it says there?

As long as it’s just that message that is wrong and things are correct on the account, particularly the required DD amount, then I wouldn’t worry too much.


  • Carbon Cutter*
  • 3 replies
  • September 7, 2024

Thank you both! I finally got through on the live chat and they have confirmed it is incorrect. I checked against the Tili confirmation and OVO’s confirmation and yes it is x100, the decimal point must have been put in the wrong spot! I know energy prices have gone up but I think that’s a bit excessive! 


Nukecad
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  • Plan Zero Hero
  • 736 replies
  • September 7, 2024

Good to hear that is all that it was.

I'll hold my hand up that I've done similar myself on spreadsheets and forgot to divide by 100 when entering things as just pennies so they end up being calculated as £s instead. (and I'll bet I'm not the only one who's done that).

Usually it's not a difficult error to spot because the results then end up 100 times too big.


Abby_OVO
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  • Community Manager
  • 1047 replies
  • September 9, 2024

Hey @Jess24 

 

Sorry about the confusion you had there with the tariff details.

 

Glad to see some of our volunteers have already stopped by to help clear things up for you.

 

Feel free to pop back to the Forum any time if you’ve ever got any questions or issues, we’ll do our best to help out.😊


  • New Member*
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  • November 30, 2024

Why has my DD increased when my account is in credit by almost £100.00?


Blastoise186
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  • November 30, 2024

Good evening ​@Snoopy34 ,

Please be advised that Forum Volunteers don’t have access to your account and we don’t exactly have Crystal Ball powers. You’re gonna need to tell us more info if you want our advice, otherwise I’m afraid your question can’t be answered and may end up going stale.


Firedog
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  • Plan Zero Hero
  • 1982 replies
  • November 30, 2024

Have a look at the DD calculator. This will show how your balance will change over the next few months. If the figure in the box is the new DD, you should see the bars coming down to near zero. Put in the old DD to see where the balance was heading before the increase.

Click on Continue to see a few more details. Click on How we work out the minimum monthly payment to see where the new number comes from. 

The figure will be based on the numbers in your Plan. The Future Annual Consumption should be close to your actual consumption over the past twelve months. If it’s a long way off, the calculation will give an equally inaccurate minimum monthly payment.  

Last, you should be given reasonable notice before the DD is changed. Did you not get a notification a few days earlier suggesting that you should increase it?

This is a new system; it’s the same calculation whether you’re on the Standard Variable Tariff (‘Simpler energy’) or on a fixed-rate one. Some of us don’t think it’s fair.

How do direct debits work | Customer Help and FAQ 


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