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How do I get an unused 1980's off-peak meter removed?

  • May 27, 2024
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I am trying to get a smart meter installed (and 2 very old meters removed) at my late father’s house which we are purchasing.

I have been told that it is impossible at the moment by an OVO reply to my email requesting this.

Currently there is a very old (1970s) mechanical off peak meter installed (pictures attached), this hasn't been used since the 1980s.

The property was built with the old underfloor electric wire heating which was too expensive to run so was converted to gas central heating in the 1980s.

As you can see in the attached pictures there are no fuses installed in the off peak side of the supply. We will never want to use the off peak again.

We will be installing a new consumer unit and electric car charger after the purchase has been completed.

Is there any way forward with this?

 

Electric box

 

Best answer by Firedog

Updated on 14/07/26 by Ben_OVO

 

I am just paying one standing charge for the 2 meters and am on the simpler energy tariff.

 

OK, that’s one less thing to worry about!

  

According to the DNO it is a simple matter for the energy supply company to request removal of a MPAN number from the database but for some reason the person I spoke to in squad 70 at OVO said it is impossible to remove a MPAN number once it has been assigned!
  

That’s a bit unlikely. Of course the MPAN can’t be removed from the database while the supply is still connected. As I understand it, you have to persuade OVO to request a ‘logical disconnection’ from the DNO. Then the question arises of whether this disconnection can be carried out while the meter is in place, so chickens and eggs come to mind. UKPN’s page suggests that removal of the meter has to precede the logical disconnection and subsequent deletion of the MPAN. National Grid only mention disconnection prior to demolition, so you may have to knock the house down. 

 

If you’re on a standard variable tariff with all consumption going through the one meter, and that meter is out of certification (one of the reasons why we ask for a photo of it; there’s usually a certification date stamp on it), then you should be able to persuade OVO to install a new one and (incidentally) take both the old meters away when they’re done. The second MPAN becomes an anomaly to be sorted out between OVO and NGED. 

 

If they still refuse to do anything, complain bitterly.   

 

If you have a disused meter that you’d like to be removed, contact our Support Team to discuss, and see this article for further info:

 

 

38 replies

Rank 6
June 11, 2024

Howdy!

Please watch this space, some hot news is on the way regarding the future of THTC. So hot in fact, that I’ve not even had a chance to write the post yet - I literally just got told it today.

All I can say for now… Is that I think you may want to hear this...

Please allow me some time to get things written up and checked over, as well as getting permission to make it public (I need OVO’s permission for this one!). We don’t yet have an exact date as to when I can spill the beans, but please keep watching the Forum - feel free to check in anytime and we’ll try to tell you whatever can be made public at that point.

Thanks for the update, finally something positive to look forward to! 👍

Shads_OVO
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Retired Moderator
June 13, 2024

Howdy!

Please watch this space, some hot news is on the way regarding the future of THTC. So hot in fact, that I’ve not even had a chance to write the post yet - I literally just got told it today.

All I can say for now… Is that I think you may want to hear this...

Please allow me some time to get things written up and checked over, as well as getting permission to make it public (I need OVO’s permission for this one!). We don’t yet have an exact date as to when I can spill the beans, but please keep watching the Forum - feel free to check in anytime and we’ll try to tell you whatever can be made public at that point.

 

Just to add to what Blastoise has said here. As part of the RTS Project development, we are really happy to share with you our progress:

 

As you may be aware, the RTS signal that instructs some of our meters when to move to the “Off Peak Period”  will be closing down soon and we need to arrange for all of our RTS customers to have a meter exchange so they don’t lose any of their meter functionality.

 

The RTS signal will end for our customers on 30 June 2025. The period between 1 July - 30 September 2025 will then be used to close-down the RTS signal and allow us to manage any unexpected customers impacted.

 

After a very successful pilot, from the 17th June 2024 we will begin writing to our Economy 10 RTS customers to invite them to call us to arrange for their meter exchange. 

 

We are continuing to work at pace to enable the same solution for the majority of our other RTS customers and our aim is to begin writing to these customers in Aug 2024. 

 

We will continue to update you on our progress 

 

MT_OVO24Author
Rank 2
June 13, 2024

That is good news for RTS customers

 

However mine IS NOT RTS, it is a very old mechanical timer version which according to the DNO engineer is very easy to update to a single meter and tariff.

 

Despite mentioning this time and time again I am getting nowhere!

Shads_OVO
Retired Moderator
Retired Moderator
June 13, 2024

Hi @MT_OVO24,

 

I’m really sorry about this. I understand your frustration.

 

This is now with our Forum_Support team who would be looking into this for you. They’d let you know as soon as there is an update.

Rank 4
June 13, 2024

Howdy!

Please watch this space, some hot news is on the way regarding the future of THTC. So hot in fact, that I’ve not even had a chance to write the post yet - I literally just got told it today.

All I can say for now… Is that I think you may want to hear this...

Please allow me some time to get things written up and checked over, as well as getting permission to make it public (I need OVO’s permission for this one!). We don’t yet have an exact date as to when I can spill the beans, but please keep watching the Forum - feel free to check in anytime and we’ll try to tell you whatever can be made public at that point.

 

Just to add to what Blastoise has said here. As part of the RTS Project development, we are really happy to share with you our progress:

 

As you may be aware, the RTS signal that instructs some of our meters when to move to the “Off Peak Period”  will be closing down soon and we need to arrange for all of our RTS customers to have a meter exchange so they don’t lose any of their meter functionality.

 

The RTS signal will end for our customers on 30 June 2025. The period between 1 July - 30 September 2025 will then be used to close-down the RTS signal and allow us to manage any unexpected customers impacted.

 

After a very successful pilot, from the 17th June 2024 we will begin writing to our Economy 10 RTS customers to invite them to call us to arrange for their meter exchange. 

 

We are continuing to work at pace to enable the same solution for the majority of our other RTS customers and our aim is to begin writing to these customers in Aug 2024. 

 

We will continue to update you on our progress 

 

Thank you Shads. This is welcome news. I hope this information will be made widely known.  Those of us stuck with THTC wait with bated breath. 

MT_OVO24Author
Rank 2
June 20, 2024

Just an update

 

Still no further forward, I had a DM which still states that they can’t do anything because of RTS.

Despite telling them that it is not RTS it’s a mechanical version installed in 1970 or 1971 when the house was built. This has also been confirmed by the visiting DNO engineer.

Installation of RTS did not begin to be installed until the 1980s 

The instructions from the DNO are:-

The supplier needs to remove the meter and send flows advising, break the relationship between the mpans and then send a D0132 logical disconnection request.

This seems straight forward to me.

Other suppliers are already offering to do it, this is from a competitors website

How do I get my Economy 7 meter removed?
We can only remove Economy 7, 9 or 10 meters if they are not part of your electrical heating system. We'll charge you £80 to remove your meter; you'll need to pay this before we can confirm your appointment. Once the meter is removed your Distribution Network can disconnect the service.

 

Emmanuelle_OVO
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June 21, 2024

Hey @MT_OVO24,

 

I’m sorry you’ve had a frustrating experience,

 

If your meters aren’t RTS then we should be able to remove the redundant meter if an electrician has proven that there are no appliances attached to the redundant meter. 

 

These topics may be helpful: 

 

 

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MT_OVO24Author
Rank 2
June 21, 2024

As per the initial photo and my repeated comments in this thread and to staff I have spoken to on the phone there aren’t any fuses in that side of the supply as gas central heating was installed in the 1980’s so the off peak side hasn’t been used since then.

 

The meter reading hasn’t changed since the 1980s.

MT_OVO24Author
Rank 2
July 4, 2024

Latest reply :-

‘We can raise the case for logical disconnection and they can send the forms and flows to show it as de-energised on the national database and our system. This process does break the relationship between the MPANs, it's the next step we can't do at the moment, which is completely removing the secondary meter information from the account. We can make it show as removed on the system but not remove it from the account as yet

They would recommend waiting and doing all of it at once when we're able to fully remove the meter from the account, rather than remove the meter now but still have to wait to remove it from the account.’

 

We are having the house rewired and a new consumer unit installed (so the off peak side will only be connected to a henley block) so after that is done we will be moving supplier as we need a smart meter to get better tariffs for our ev.

 

OVO can do the job but because it leaves a non existant meter on the software they don’t want to. There must be a system to follow when a property is demolished and that meter disappears.

Shads_OVO
Retired Moderator
Retired Moderator
July 5, 2024

Hi @MT_OVO24,

 

It’s good to hear that you’ve managed to get some sort of update about this. I understand it may not have been the answer you’d have wanted, I’m sorry about this.

 

Keep us updated on whether you decide to go ahead and get the meter removed.