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Storage heater not working tenant wasn't on economy 7 tariff- Is this why?

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Hi, I am a landlord trying my best to resolve an issue with a storage heater not working. I've had two electricians out and they both say that everything is fine back to the meter. And two meter engineers told me everything is fine at they're end too. During a call to ovo whilst I was there, the tenant told the phone agent that he isn't on an economy 7 tariff...could this have been the problem all along? Will it simply not turn on without an economy tariff??? It was working whilst I was doing the flat up, and at that time I had an economy 7 tariff. At the moment I the electrician has wired it up to the normal rate and it's working fine. Now he wants me to pay his extortionate electric bill...it's a bit of a headache. Please help.

Best answer by Nukecad

I think that’s where it gets a bit complicated. Nukecad has experience as a landlord so I think he’s more capable of tackling that question than I am!

LOL, my experience is as a tenant, I’ve never been a LL.

However I was a regular member on LandlordZone forum so know many/most of the issues that can and do crop up.

This appears to be a typical case of ‘tenant error’, and one that is often seen where storage heaters are involved in a rental property.

The tenant has changed the tariff after moving in, to a tariff unsuitable for storage heaters.
Usually it happens because they have never had storage heaters and they did not/do not understand how storage heaters are supposed to work with a Peak/Off-peak tariff like E7.
And/or they have seen the E7 peak rate that was in place and compared it to lower rates for single rate tariffs (ignoring the E7 off-peak altogether).
So the fact that it’s now costing more to run the storage heaters is entirely down to the tenants choice of tariff.
Their choice of tariff = their bill to pay.

The landlord cannot be held responsible for their tenants unwise choices.
(However you might consider making sure that any future new tenants are aware that they need to get a peak/off-peak tariff when signing up for a supply - a big notice next to the meter perhaps?)

I think that you said above that the tenant has already switched back to E7?
If not then they should do that, or at least switch to a tariff more suitable for storage heaters.


As to why changing from E7 to a single tariff stopped the storage heaters working, I think that must be a wiring oddity.

That extra, flat twin and earth, wire is a puzzle, and looking at the point where 4L exits the meter that looks odd too, why is it not in the boss provided?

When was your last landlords EICR done? Because at at some point questions are going to be asked about those two wires and the missing seal. (and a competent EICR tester should pick them up for investigation before a new certificate can be issued).
 

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Blastoise186
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February 11, 2025

Hi ​@Ragga ,

I need to see photos of the meter to be sure, and to give the most accurate advice.

Thanks

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RaggaAuthor
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February 11, 2025

 

RaggaAuthor
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February 11, 2025

Hi @Blastoise

Hi ​@Ragga ,

I need to see photos of the meter to be sure, and to give the most accurate advice.

Thanks

This is the only one i have at the moment,  but it's not that clear on the display.  Cheers 

Blastoise186
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February 11, 2025

I see. That install appears to be a Four-Terminal SMETS2 Kaifa MA120 V1. It does support Economy 7 but does NOT do automatic load switching at all.

You are NOT responsible for the electricity bill if you’re not named on it - that’s for your tenant to pay. Likewise, wiring up the storage heater to run 24/7 without some kind of timer to switch it off somewhere is asking for trouble.

Let me grab ​@Lukepeniket_OVO for this. That weird 5th cable is confusing me…

Also… ​@Nukecad can I borrow you Re: billing matters?

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RaggaAuthor
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February 11, 2025

Re the billing,  I've no intention of paying if he's at fault with the tariff, or if it's Ovo, he needs to fight with them. But if it's a fault on my side I think it's only fair to pay a share.

This is the timer that's installed at the moment.  But my electrician is going tomorrow to revert it back to original wiring now he's switched to a 7 tariff...just hoping it works

 

Blastoise186
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February 11, 2025

I think that’s where it gets a bit complicated. Nukecad has experience as a landlord so I think he’s more capable of tackling that question than I am!

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RaggaAuthor
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February 11, 2025

BTW...I'm no electrician,  but is the weird wire the smaller one coming out of the bottom of the meter? Because I'm pretty sure that runs to the contactor for the heater in the consumer unit

Firedog
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February 12, 2025

That is an unorthodox arrangement. It looks as if the ‘weird’ wire is an afterthought, probably fitted to deliver power to the storage heater if, as you say, it leads to the appropriate breaker in the CU. The heater itself is then controlled by a time switch, presumably so that it conforms to Economy 7 hours of charge.

I notice that there is no seal on the terminal cover at the bottom of the meter. A meter engineer wouldn’t have left it unsealed, so it certainly looks as if someone has removed the seal in order to fit the additional wire.
  

Missing seal

That is tampering; I’m not suggesting that this was done in an attempt to take power from the incoming supply - thus bypassing the meter itself - but it’s severely frowned upon by suppliers, not least on safety grounds. It’s their meter, after all. 

If this was done by your friendly neighbourhood electrician, he should have informed the supplier at least (ideally before doing the job), who will then have had to send a qualified meter engineer to reseal the meter. That’s not cheap (currently £106).

 

 

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Blastoise186
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February 12, 2025

On top of that, there’s actually a variant of that exact meter which officially supports 5-Terminal setups. If that support was needed, then a request should have been made to swap it out for the 5-Terminal version...

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February 12, 2025

I think that’s where it gets a bit complicated. Nukecad has experience as a landlord so I think he’s more capable of tackling that question than I am!

LOL, my experience is as a tenant, I’ve never been a LL.

However I was a regular member on LandlordZone forum so know many/most of the issues that can and do crop up.

This appears to be a typical case of ‘tenant error’, and one that is often seen where storage heaters are involved in a rental property.

The tenant has changed the tariff after moving in, to a tariff unsuitable for storage heaters.
Usually it happens because they have never had storage heaters and they did not/do not understand how storage heaters are supposed to work with a Peak/Off-peak tariff like E7.
And/or they have seen the E7 peak rate that was in place and compared it to lower rates for single rate tariffs (ignoring the E7 off-peak altogether).
So the fact that it’s now costing more to run the storage heaters is entirely down to the tenants choice of tariff.
Their choice of tariff = their bill to pay.

The landlord cannot be held responsible for their tenants unwise choices.
(However you might consider making sure that any future new tenants are aware that they need to get a peak/off-peak tariff when signing up for a supply - a big notice next to the meter perhaps?)

I think that you said above that the tenant has already switched back to E7?
If not then they should do that, or at least switch to a tariff more suitable for storage heaters.


As to why changing from E7 to a single tariff stopped the storage heaters working, I think that must be a wiring oddity.

That extra, flat twin and earth, wire is a puzzle, and looking at the point where 4L exits the meter that looks odd too, why is it not in the boss provided?

When was your last landlords EICR done? Because at at some point questions are going to be asked about those two wires and the missing seal. (and a competent EICR tester should pick them up for investigation before a new certificate can be issued).
 

I said, Hey - Watts going on.