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December 8, 2024

Mitsubishi Ecodan not switching according to Cost Boiler selection

  • December 8, 2024
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Hello!

 

I own a Mitsubishi Ecodan / Zubadan ASHP 14kW with a gas boiler attached as backup heat source. It can help in colder periods but it should also switch based on energy price.

Mitsubishi also released this document https://hoctorrefrigeration.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/ECODAN-Hybrid-Boiler-Application.pdf 

Which states that it can be achieved but it is not technical.

 

The HP has an Intelligent operation mode where it can select Cost based between electricity and gas based on the price/kW of each energy. 

I expect as example that at a certain outside temperature,

  • COP=3 and 3kW heating are produced from 1kW electricity
  • 1kW electricity costs 0.6. But it produces 3kW heat with a cost of 0.2 /kWheat
  • 1kW produced with gas costs 0.2 => it pdocudes 1kW heat with a cost of 0.2

=> it should stay as soon as the outside temperature drops and COP drops => it should switch to gas boiler.

Settings:

  • Service menu / Operation settings / Boiler Operation / Hybrid settings/Priority Mode: Cost
  • Service menu / Operation settings / Boiler Operation / Intelligent settings/Energy Price / Electricity: 0.6 */kWh
  • Service menu / Operation settings / Boiler Operation / Intelligent settings/Energy Price / Boiler : 0.2  */kWh 
  1. I can force a boiler operation when accessing 

Service menu / Heat source setting (Standard/Heater/Boiler/Hybrid *7) : Boiler.

But when i select Hybrid as it should, it only runs on HP. 

To test, I used a ridiculosly increase price for electricity and it soed not switch.

  1.  I can also force only boiler oepration using the settings:
  • Service menu / Operation settings / Boiler Operation / Hybrid settings /Outdoor ambient temperature: HP-Boiler when under -15 and Boiler to HP when over 1 (deg C). But it does not account the cost variable.

The manuals say very little about this topic. They say it should work.

if anyone has this setup and can advice or is an installer that did this before. thank you in advance for helping me out.

23 replies

SorinAuthor
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December 11, 2024

So, in this manual

 

https://torn-climatizare.ro/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Manual-de-instalare-Mitsubishi-Electric-ERSC-VM2D.pdf

 

Starting from page 28 is the system setup (makes a strong cup of coffee) …

 

On page 30 there is something I don’t understand

 

 

I’ve got to Intelligent settings/Energy Price and I get the Electricity setting but what is the Boiler setting?

Can you also tell me what you have set for the others in this area?

I believe Hybrid settings should be set to Priority/Ambient/Cost/CO2

 

Thanks

 

Peter

 

To answer the above message that i overlooked (sorry)

You can choose from the Priority option one of those Cost/CO2/Ambient. I chose cost, of course. The setup allows to prioritize CO2 if you go greener than others

The price is *kWh price for electricity or boiler fuel (boiler can be gas, petrol or whatever) but it still has a cost/kWh and an efficiency (see HeatSource/Boiler Efficiency).

 

Newcomer
January 26, 2025

Hello Everyone!

I have a similar setup with ERSC-VM2D with an attached gas boiler, and I have the similar problem as well.

When I set Service menu/Heat source setting to “Boiler“ then the gas boiler turn on, so the ecodan hydromodul is able to turn on gas heating

 

My experimental workaround is the following:

Service menu/Heat source setting : “Hybrid

Service menu/Operation settings/Boiler settings/Hybrid settings/Priority : “Cost

Service menu/Operation settings/Boiler settings/Hybrid settings/Intelligent settings/Energy price/Electric : “Price1” “Price2” “Price3” ... “90,0 */kwh” (anybody knows why are there 10 different price fields? Which one is the relevant?)

Service menu/Operation settings/Boiler settings/Hybrid settings/Intelligent settings/Energy price/Boiler : “1,0 */kwh

 

So I set the electric cost to 90 times more expensive than the gas cost. I suppose that in this scenario the system should obviously use the gas heating instead of the heat pump. 

But the gas heating remains inactive. Why? What other setting should I change?

 

Any help/suggestion would welcome!

Peter E
Super User
Super User
January 26, 2025

Hi ​@tabela 

 

We didn't manage to solve the problem on here because the author ​@Sorin decided to investigate on their own. I suggest you send a direct message to them to ask what they had found. I hope you find out what the answer is.

 

Peter

Reducing my yearly fossil fuel usage with an EV (-900 litres petrol), A2AHP (-8,700 kWh gas) and Timed Immersion heater (-1,500 kWh gas)