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Heat pump efficiency - not sure how to drive down the usage? (rental property)

  • February 22, 2025
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I have an ecodan heat pump in a new rental.  Currently spending up to 50kw some days to keep house warm.  2 zones.  Upstairs zone 1 radiators.  Downstairs zone 2 underfloor heating.  

Underfloor set to 19.5 and upstairs radiators set to 19.5. More than happy with heating in the home, but not sure how to drive down the usage?

Compensation Curve came to mind, but not sure what would be the most optimal settings. HW come on 2 times a day to heat to 49deg C and thats about it.  Any advice would be much appreciated.  

Best answer by juliamc

Updated on 04/03/25 by Ben_OVO

My system is a Daikin so I don’t have experience on Ecodan controls, but here’s a couple of things to check: 

All your radiator valves should be open fully to ensure the water flows unimpeded, similarly the underfloor (though I have no experience with those either !). 
I don’t know if there a ‘quiet mode’ on the Ecodan. It might be worth trying the upstairs a degree cooler and then not doing the setback, but setting it to quiet at bedtime. Having a setback means it’s got to work hard to restart everything in the coldest part of the night to get it all going for the morning. I have my heating on all night now which took some getting used to, but the bedroom radiator is sized to keep the room at 18 degrees and we have the window open so it is cool enough in there!

When it does the water heating the outdoor unit will be noisiest, as it’s working hardest then. If you can do that in the warmer part of the day it should use less energy. Do you need to heat it twice a day ? Do you find you run out of hot water if it’s only heated once ? 
For comparison I have a 3 bed bungalow with 8 radiators and the heating at 22 degrees (soft southerner). Our cylinder is 210 litres, 2 showers per day, water heated to 49. On 10th Jan when outside temp was around -0.5 deg it used 38 kWh. Last week on a day around 3.0 deg it used 27 kWh.

@M.isterW knows all about the ecodan’s auto control !!

It looks like you've got third part controls (i.e. not Mitsubishi's own controls) and that's not a good thing. If you've set the system to weather compensation, on the Mitsubishi FTC controller, then it should run without a third party thermostat turning it on and off.

 

Can I suggest you find the Mitsubishi Ecodan group on Facebook and ask them for help. There are people far more knowledgeable than me in the group. They will want to see pictures of all of your controls (FTC, thermostats etc).

 

https://m.facebook.com/groups/674120483503581/

 

 

 

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M.isterW
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February 24, 2025

It looks like you've got third part controls (i.e. not Mitsubishi's own controls) and that's not a good thing. If you've set the system to weather compensation, on the Mitsubishi FTC controller, then it should run without a third party thermostat turning it on and off.

 

Can I suggest you find the Mitsubishi Ecodan group on Facebook and ask them for help. There are people far more knowledgeable than me in the group. They will want to see pictures of all of your controls (FTC, thermostats etc).

 

https://m.facebook.com/groups/674120483503581/

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juliamc
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February 24, 2025

Ah ! Well spotted ​@M.isterW !!

gdebruinAuthor
February 24, 2025

Can you see what COP you get ? On your display you can see electricity in and heat output, both in kWh. If you divide heat by electricity the result gives the COP coefficient of performance. On a cold day it will be less than a milder day, but it should be around 3.5 or higher. 

 

juliamc
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February 24, 2025

Quoting from a previous thread on here: “Working through the ‘magnifying glass’ icon’ you can get consumed and delivered energies for  the last 2 months and for the year to date to work out the COPs.”

So the system has been getting a COP of 3.17 over the period displayed. 
I’m sure if you do as suggested previously ⬆️ and run it on “weather compensation” you will get an improved COP. 

Rank 4
February 24, 2025

It looks like you have an 11kw output heat pump, fairly large for a well insulated, new build property. The COP figure ​@juliamc has calculated is at the low end of what you would expect. 
Firstly the hot water temperature is about right. Do you need to heat the tank twice a day? If you can drop it to once per day, in the afternoon, that will improve efficiency for that part of the system, but it’s not going to make a huge difference.

For the heating, the two zones and external thermostats are not ideal. As ​@M.isterW suggested Ecodan specific Facebook groups are your best bet to getting this system setup best. Initially I’d be looking to tweak the compensation curve. Have both ground and first floor the same, lower the top end 40C at outside temp of -4C, (so more like 38C at 0C outside) and have the bottom end set at 30C at 15C outside (radiators don’t work well running much below 30C).

Is the house occupied most of the time? What heat schedule do you run? Keeping the schedule simple will help, and with a heat pump that size it maybe cheaper to only heat morning and evening  

 

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M.isterW
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February 24, 2025

The measured heat delivered figure on Ecodan systems is very inaccurate, unless you have additional energy monitoring attached. So I wouldn't trust the numbers on the controller.

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