Can you put a plug on a storage heater and plug it in?

Hi ​@shetland, you could ask an electrician to advise you on hardwiring your 1600 Watt into an existing circuit, as has been suggested, via a metal double pole switched spur (with its own familiar plug-top type fuse), rather unlovely of the type you might see in a garage or workshop, or via a more domestic-looking white switched Fused Connector Unit: your electrician could advise on perhaps fitting a 10 Amp fuse rather than a 13 Amp one, which wouldn’t prevent the fuse running hot but might give some assurance about total load on your chosen circuit.  Above all, though, a fixed outlet like that would offer  permanently-wired tightly-installed cabling to your storage heater, much better than an ordinary plug. 
 

However, for optimum safety, though, as has been suggested, your electrician would probably advise installing the storage heater on its very own circuit, which would no doubt be protected by a 16 Amp fuse (either from your existing consumer unit (CU) if there’s space for a new MCB or a new RCBO, otherwise space might be available for a small additional unit near the CU) and be run in reassuringly thick cable for your 1600 Watt requirement (4mm squared) which might be stronger than your existing cabling “in the wall”?  
 

But advice and assessment by two (or, better, three) electricians could well be free, they might not charge you, especially if you find ones that friends, colleagues or family have previously used and would recommend.  I can understand your natural apprehension about your having to pay what you describe as “thousands” for a completely new circuit, but please be assured that would only be the case if the new circuit was to be challenged by complicated logistics: extraordinarily long run, three foot thick walls, hidden in plaster rather than over the surface with aesthetically acceptable trunking perhaps, or some awful electrical problems associated with existing dodgy earthing or wiring or whatever.  I would cautiously suggest a more likely figure of the low hundreds (depending, I stress, on dozens of unknowable factors only your electrician(s) can quote you for.  Very good luck, we would be definitely interested in hearing how you get on and what choices you find are presented to you? 

All the best…..

Our walls are only 2ft thick. :-)

A plug is better when your heating unit stops working and you need to plug in a spare unit, at some point I will age enough that I won’t  be able to wire in a replacement, and a plug in option would be better.

I could even have 2 side by side fitted on the wall, so I don’t even need to move one into place, and just swap over plugs !

Family have all died, and we don’t have any friends here, so no one to ask a favour of for advice.

A recent quote we had was £5,500 I’d be amazed if another quote was less than £1,000, and probably cost us £500 just to get a second quote !
 

Hi ​@shetland, so be it, sounds like your mind’s been made up for you…all the very best and take care, and at least we’ve got longer days at the moment, even for folk up in beautiful Shetland!  
 

Walls two feet thick, sounds wonderful:  that house is going nowhere!  And a quote of £5,500 for one circuit, wow! I’d want a total house re-wire for that! 
 

EDIT….Ah, apologies, on looking back I see you’re actually talking about 7 storage heaters?  Still, if they’re all around the 1.6 kW size, two circuits might suffice? And if your CU is below par, a separate smaller CU mounted nearby (space permitting) could be possible rather than messing about too much with the existing CU.  But if the house electrics are indeed “below standard” as you intimate, I’d get that sorted if I were you! And as a side note, maybe take advice on where your heated towel rails are being plugged in?
 

All the very best, Walt

The heated towel rails are to be plugged into wall sockets so as not to overload a specific cicruit, eg. the downstairs one rated at 7,000w will have 3 x 500w towel rails, and also run them not all at the same time, eg. one runs for 8 hours, another runs for 8 hours, and another for the rest, alternatiing very hour between each.

Upstairs similar.

A circuit has already been tested with a 1kw and 2kw electric fire without any issues appearing, no wiring appearing to get even slightly warm, no trip switches doing their thing, as such I’m not expecting any issues with less wattage apread around 3 heaters of 500w on alternating times.

Unless anyone can mention otherwise. :-)

I do now check with various AI’s about safety as well, rather than rely on forums where it is increasing difficult to get accurate answers to specific questions.

But since AI is not always right, it can be hard to check !

As such, I tend towards caution, hence the heated towel rails, you can’t get any more cautious than that, they are even water resistant !

I’m thinking for a storage heater house, I’d need at least 9 x 1.6kw models, though I was looking at 800w models, since they would be a lot lighter to lug around when you need to swap them out for repair/replacement, but I’d need 18 of them then, which could be quite a bit of wall space.

Though I guess no reason why you couldn’t have a bank of them two stacked on top of each other with enough of a gap.

Plus a garage to keep another dozen spare units in. :-)

But I might have decided for more than 18 if I have solar power, so that the house can be really warm, and not just a bit warm.

Since storage heaters would be a much cheaper solution than batteries for storing heat.

Though I did some see batteries for sale new the other day, £1,000 would give me 10,000wh of storage, so I’d only need £12,000 worth of batteries to power my house for 24 hours.

And what, about 2 acres of solar panels to charge it in the winter. :-)

But I could at least charge them up with off peak cheap rate electricity I imagine, though bound to be a heap load of regulations to worry about trying to do that !
 

I use ChatGPT which I find reliable in terms of answers. It can lack detail at times but it generally comes back with a broad answer and generally brings up points you have not already considered. You could start a conversation with each of you points in turn and see what it says.

As for solar panels, there is a very poor fit between the power required in the winter for heating and the power available from a solar array at that time. In the summer you will have the opposite situation. Plenty of power but no heating required. A large bank of batteries will not help.

I hope your project goes well but it will be best to get more answers to your ideas before committing to anything.

Peter

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I generally find that the more sources you reference the better idea you have of what's going on (and what you actually want) and what needs to be done. In this instance there is no one right solution because we don't know all the facts. My suggestion is that you keep on asking questions from different sources (Gemini is another AI although it has lied to me in the past when it was called Bard) and there are different places that this issue can be aired. Eventually you might come to a consensus as to what the right solution is.

Peter

Hi ​@shetland, sounds like you’ve got yourself quite a plan there!  Expensive to run, though.  I’m guessing those lovely two foot thick (stone?) walls of yours will help as a type of energy storage device.

”Though I did some see batteries for sale new the other day, £1,000 would give me 10,000wh of storage, so I’d only need £12,000 worth of batteries to power my house for 24 hours.”   120 kWh (“units”) a day sounds a lot, though? Even assuming a discharge limited to 80% capacity, that’d be still around 100 units a day?  Plus there would be large additional outlay on associated systems for the batteries (installation costs, inverter(s), cabling, switchgear etc.)  

Nine 1.6 kW storage heaters, plus towel rails (good idea to stagger their usage, but depends I suppose on how you want to utilise their heat when they’re actually warm, for instance at night or whenever?) plus maybe an immersion heater for your domestic hot water, plus electric oven, all heavy items and then the more sporadic usage of other heavy items such as kettles and possibly electric shower, all make for a very hefty consumption, even without considering all the other usual more lightweight background stuff like ‘fridges and freezers etc.  The nine storage heaters alone, were they all to run together, are equivalent to charging two electric cars at once so maybe your figure of 100 kWh per day is indeed an accurate (winter) estimate, depending on how many hours a day you’ll be buying power for them. And if it was all at a very low tariff of 7 or 8 pence per kWh, then maybe £300 (including standing charge) or so per winter month is not perhaps a lot more than many folk in the UK find that they have to allow for over the winter to include heating costs.  But storage heaters are not very good at coping quickly with a cold snap in, say, September or April, so you might find that “winter” months might not be limited to the usual six suspects….certainly in Sunderland I’ve been (resentfully) running the heating for an hour or so on the occasional morning even in May.
 

Your DNO can come and check and possibly upgrade the fuse on their supply to your house, and that’s one safety check that shouldn’t cost you.  I’m assuming you have a single phase supply? 
 

Do keep us posted, sounds like an interesting project, and it’s great you have lots of time over the summer to plan everything out, all the very best with it….

EDIT Oh yes, and there are all kinds of sources of help and information such as the Energy Advice Helpline and well known national charities and initiatives plus loads of different forums (Martin Lewis’s forum is always worth a visit) and support groups.  ATB again…

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