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S2 smart meters in the Northern Territory using the Arqiva network - why isn't the meter able to connect to the WAN?

  • February 23, 2021
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So no surprise that our smart meter is still not connected, we get emails from ovo with laughable comments about it. Another customer with an electricity meter in the same location has been persuaded to have a smart meter fitted - although she informed her supplier that it would probably not work., sure enough, no connection. So now 800 pounds worth? of kit wasted. Our money.

There seem to be so many of these things not working I simply can’t believe Arquiva’s claim of 99.5% coverage. But since they can’t be forced to fix the problem why should they care?.

Meanwhile our meter in France, that sends the data back down the power lines is fine, as are all French smart meters. And they don’t seem to having regrets about security. And they are charging people who refuse to have one installed.

I am aware that an aerial can be constructed to relay the signal, but I’m not ready to do that yet, although I am increasingly upset about being unable to profit from some tariffs. I recently tried to explain this to someone on ovo chat and he was either too stupid or unwilling to understand.

I have the same problem connecting to the Arqiva network. With the Comms Hub placed in the usual place (on top of the electricity meter), I could not get a WAN signal.

One thing you could try is to use a Kaifa FL100 adapter (the suppliers’ installers have access to these) to separate the Comms Hub from the electricity meter. This has a 75 cm cable that can put some distance between them. This is occasionally used because an electricity meters could produce enough interference to cause problems for a Comms Hub in close proximity, especially in a marginal reception area. I tried this, but it didn’t help my situation.

The next thing to try would be to extend the cable on the FL100 to allow you to move the CH even further away from the electricity meter. This could then allow you to position it where you do get a reception. I tried this as well but it still didn’t work.

I eventually solved it solved it by having the Comms Hub separate from the electricity meter, moving it high up at the back of the house and powering it from a separate 12V supply coming from the loft. Yes, I know I’m paying to power the CH but it’s 12V @ 100mA so I don’t think it’s going to significantly affect my bill. Note the Comms Hub communicates to the electricity meter through Zigbee, not the cable; the cable only supplies power from the electricity meter to the Comms Hub.

This worked, much to the installer’s surprise, who was convinced it wouldn’t as he thought the communications between Comms Hub and electricity meter was through the connector.


Blastoise186
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Just a word of caution. Attempting the above may trigger tamper alarms to your supplier. ALWAYS get permission first.


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  • November 18, 2024

Just a word of caution. Attempting the above may trigger tamper alarms to your supplier. ALWAYS get permission first.

I wasn’t suggesting the homeowner tries it themselves. If it wasn’t clear: all of this was done with an official installer present.


Emmanuelle_OVO
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  • November 19, 2024

Just a word of caution. Attempting the above may trigger tamper alarms to your supplier. ALWAYS get permission first.

I wasn’t suggesting the homeowner tries it themselves. If it wasn’t clear: all of this was done with an official installer present.

 

Thank you for confirming ​@806cat & thank you for the below advice:

 

I have the same problem connecting to the Arqiva network. With the Comms Hub placed in the usual place (on top of the electricity meter), I could not get a WAN signal.

One thing you could try is to use a Kaifa FL100 adapter (the suppliers’ installers have access to these) to separate the Comms Hub from the electricity meter. This has a 75 cm cable that can put some distance between them. This is occasionally used because an electricity meters could produce enough interference to cause problems for a Comms Hub in close proximity, especially in a marginal reception area. I tried this, but it didn’t help my situation.

The next thing to try would be to extend the cable on the FL100 to allow you to move the CH even further away from the electricity meter. This could then allow you to position it where you do get a reception. I tried this as well but it still didn’t work.

I eventually solved it solved it by having the Comms Hub separate from the electricity meter, moving it high up at the back of the house and powering it from a separate 12V supply coming from the loft. Yes, I know I’m paying to power the CH but it’s 12V @ 100mA so I don’t think it’s going to significantly affect my bill. Note the Comms Hub communicates to the electricity meter through Zigbee, not the cable; the cable only supplies power from the electricity meter to the Comms Hub.

This worked, much to the installer’s surprise, who was convinced it wouldn’t as he thought the communications between Comms Hub and electricity meter was through the connector.


Does this help ​@bingbongovo2021?


Does it help?. It could if an official installer came along and did it, Or, if the aerial idea is so simple and effective, why don’t official installers try it?. I can imagine the derision if an official installer came along and saw my lash up - “oh you’re another amateur who has tried that one, sighs”.

Meanwhile momentum gathers on this. Panorama did a decent report (without mentioning the actual devious route via DCC that your data gets from customer to supplier). They did mention the dreaded word CAPITA as a company involved. A person involved with the initial design pointed out that there were huge defects in the it, as we see. And we also found out that suppliers CAN install mobile network comms hubs in LRR areas. So why make people use DIY solutions?. The 99.3% coverage becomes more and more meaningless when this (mobile) solution was installed in the middle of Glasgow. Martin Lewis has written a scathing letter to Ed Milliband. We await further developments.


Emmanuelle_OVO
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If we get any updates internally we’ll update all relevant topics


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  • February 11, 2025

Intriguing to see someone else trying the FL100. For me (& a neighbour) the FL100 worked out of the box without extending the cable - see this post:

https://homeeneryefficiencyukreallife.blogspot.com/2024/09/smart-meter-3-my-smart-meter-journey.html

I hope that this helps someone.


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Hi, similar situation i.e. no WAN following smart meter installation. Comms unit is an EDMI CS010A but my meter is not a Kaifa, it is a MapleCo. Does anyone know if there would be a flying lead that would be compatible with this setup which i could ask an engineer to try? Thanks 


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  • July 20, 2025

Hi ​@localshop ,

MapleCo is not a valid manufacturer. Please post photos of your setup so we can identify it.

Thanks


Nukecad
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Apparently Mapleco (or  Maple TopCo) used to be a manufacturer from 2017 until 2020 when they were taken over by emsSmart.

https://emssmart.co.uk/about-us/

Near the bottom of that webpage:

https://emssmart.co.uk/mapleco-agrees-roll-out-of-over-5-million-smart-meters-with-ovo-energy/


I’d not heard of either company before.

 


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It seems they were actually a Meter Asset Provider rather than a manufacturer


Abby_OVO
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  • July 21, 2025

Hey ​@localshop 

 

Would you be able to share a photo of the meter so we can try to help further here?


Nukecad
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  • July 21, 2025

It seems they were actually a Meter Asset Provider rather than a manufacturer

Mmmm, from that article:

Created in 2017, MapleCo funds the procurement and installation of electricity and gas meters, in return for fixed payments under long-term agreements with energy suppliers.

 

So it sounds like ​@localshop has a meter that is a re-badge, probably a common more well known meter with the Mapleco name on it instead of the manufacturers name.

A photo should help identify which meter (and manufacturer) it actually is.


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Here is a close-up of the meter and comms unit. Thanks


Blastoise186
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I suspected as such. It’s an S2 Landis+Gyr E470 Type 5533 with an EDMI Standard 420 Comms Hub for the Northern Territory. MapleCo was just the Meter Asset Provider/owner of the meter.

Getting a Flying Lead on that thing? Piece of cake!


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I suspected as such. It’s an S2 Landis+Gyr E470 Type 5533 with an EDMI Standard 420 Comms Hub for the Northern Territory. MapleCo was just the Meter Asset Provider/owner of the meter.

Getting a Flying Lead on that thing? Piece of cake!

Thanks for the reply.

Two things, do you know what the name/model number of the flying lead compatible with my setup is and what is the best way to request this from OVO? Hopefully if I can get the CU higher in the cupboard it might commission successfully. 


Blastoise186
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It’d be the same Kaifa one as others use - there’s only one model currently IIRC which is the Kaifa FL-100 Flying Lead.

If OVO thinks you need one, the engineer will provide one as part of the standard install/upgrade job. I’ll ask ​@Lukepeniket_OVO about whether you can have it retrofitted.


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Hello,

 

yes L&G electric meter property of MapleCo (MAP) and northern CH. Yes a flying lead can be retrofitted =]

 

cheers


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  • July 22, 2025

Thanks ​@Lukepeniket_OVO and ​@Blastoise186 

If that doesn’t work I’ve read that the engineer can potentially fit a 2G/3G comms unit, is that correct? I’m in the northern region but my very basic knowledge indicates that engineers have done this where commissioning is not successful via the normal LRR route. Would I just need to contact general customer support to ask this or is there a specific team I should be contacting? Thanks again!


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You are correct but we would not try a 2G/3G instead we would try a 4G comms hub (to you itll look exactly the same but i needed to get the terminology correct). Were you previously a RTS customer as that route is usually limited to RTS customers but if you have any trouble when you call in let me know and ill see what i can do?

Cheers


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You are correct but we would not try a 2G/3G instead we would try a 4G comms hub (to you itll look exactly the same but i needed to get the terminology correct). Were you previously a RTS customer as that route is usually limited to RTS customers but if you have any trouble when you call in let me know and ill see what i can do?

Cheers

No I wasn’t an RTS customer, I had a dumb meter which was replaced last week with the new smart meter which unfortunately couldn’t connect to the WAN via LRR. I’ll try and go down the flying lead retrofit route first and then see what happens. Thank you for your kind offer of assistance if I hit a brick wall. I will update this thread as and when.


Nukecad
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Security seal missing on the comms hub?
As it’s only been there a week then it makes me wonder if the engineer already tried some alternatives?


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Just a quick update to say that OVO rang following my customer service request to fit Flying Lead, or if not a 4G comms hub. She said that they would only fit a flying lead if I had a 3-phase meter (which I don’t have). She said they might be able to fit a 4G comms hub, but that depends on the mobile data signal in my property. Anyway an engineer visit is booked for a couple of weeks time.


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She said that they would only fit a flying lead if I had a 3-phase meter ...
  

@Lukepeniket_OVO What is the thinking behind this odd condition, if any?

 


Ben_OVO
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Thanks for letting us know ​@localshop, and please do keep us updated - fingers crossed it all goes well!