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S2 smart meters in the Northern Territory using the Arqiva network - why isn't the meter able to connect to the WAN?


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  • Carbon Cutter***
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  • November 18, 2024
bingbongovo2021 wrote:

So no surprise that our smart meter is still not connected, we get emails from ovo with laughable comments about it. Another customer with an electricity meter in the same location has been persuaded to have a smart meter fitted - although she informed her supplier that it would probably not work., sure enough, no connection. So now 800 pounds worth? of kit wasted. Our money.

There seem to be so many of these things not working I simply can’t believe Arquiva’s claim of 99.5% coverage. But since they can’t be forced to fix the problem why should they care?.

Meanwhile our meter in France, that sends the data back down the power lines is fine, as are all French smart meters. And they don’t seem to having regrets about security. And they are charging people who refuse to have one installed.

I am aware that an aerial can be constructed to relay the signal, but I’m not ready to do that yet, although I am increasingly upset about being unable to profit from some tariffs. I recently tried to explain this to someone on ovo chat and he was either too stupid or unwilling to understand.

I have the same problem connecting to the Arqiva network. With the Comms Hub placed in the usual place (on top of the electricity meter), I could not get a WAN signal.

One thing you could try is to use a Kaifa FL100 adapter (the suppliers’ installers have access to these) to separate the Comms Hub from the electricity meter. This has a 75 cm cable that can put some distance between them. This is occasionally used because an electricity meters could produce enough interference to cause problems for a Comms Hub in close proximity, especially in a marginal reception area. I tried this, but it didn’t help my situation.

The next thing to try would be to extend the cable on the FL100 to allow you to move the CH even further away from the electricity meter. This could then allow you to position it where you do get a reception. I tried this as well but it still didn’t work.

I eventually solved it solved it by having the Comms Hub separate from the electricity meter, moving it high up at the back of the house and powering it from a separate 12V supply coming from the loft. Yes, I know I’m paying to power the CH but it’s 12V @ 100mA so I don’t think it’s going to significantly affect my bill. Note the Comms Hub communicates to the electricity meter through Zigbee, not the cable; the cable only supplies power from the electricity meter to the Comms Hub.

This worked, much to the installer’s surprise, who was convinced it wouldn’t as he thought the communications between Comms Hub and electricity meter was through the connector.


Blastoise186
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Just a word of caution. Attempting the above may trigger tamper alarms to your supplier. ALWAYS get permission first.


  • Carbon Cutter***
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  • November 18, 2024
Blastoise186 wrote:

Just a word of caution. Attempting the above may trigger tamper alarms to your supplier. ALWAYS get permission first.

I wasn’t suggesting the homeowner tries it themselves. If it wasn’t clear: all of this was done with an official installer present.


Emmanuelle_OVO
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  • November 19, 2024
806cat wrote:
Blastoise186 wrote:

Just a word of caution. Attempting the above may trigger tamper alarms to your supplier. ALWAYS get permission first.

I wasn’t suggesting the homeowner tries it themselves. If it wasn’t clear: all of this was done with an official installer present.

 

Thank you for confirming ​@806cat & thank you for the below advice:

 

806cat wrote:

I have the same problem connecting to the Arqiva network. With the Comms Hub placed in the usual place (on top of the electricity meter), I could not get a WAN signal.

One thing you could try is to use a Kaifa FL100 adapter (the suppliers’ installers have access to these) to separate the Comms Hub from the electricity meter. This has a 75 cm cable that can put some distance between them. This is occasionally used because an electricity meters could produce enough interference to cause problems for a Comms Hub in close proximity, especially in a marginal reception area. I tried this, but it didn’t help my situation.

The next thing to try would be to extend the cable on the FL100 to allow you to move the CH even further away from the electricity meter. This could then allow you to position it where you do get a reception. I tried this as well but it still didn’t work.

I eventually solved it solved it by having the Comms Hub separate from the electricity meter, moving it high up at the back of the house and powering it from a separate 12V supply coming from the loft. Yes, I know I’m paying to power the CH but it’s 12V @ 100mA so I don’t think it’s going to significantly affect my bill. Note the Comms Hub communicates to the electricity meter through Zigbee, not the cable; the cable only supplies power from the electricity meter to the Comms Hub.

This worked, much to the installer’s surprise, who was convinced it wouldn’t as he thought the communications between Comms Hub and electricity meter was through the connector.


Does this help ​@bingbongovo2021?


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  • Carbon Cutter*
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  • November 19, 2024

Does it help?. It could if an official installer came along and did it, Or, if the aerial idea is so simple and effective, why don’t official installers try it?. I can imagine the derision if an official installer came along and saw my lash up - “oh you’re another amateur who has tried that one, sighs”.

Meanwhile momentum gathers on this. Panorama did a decent report (without mentioning the actual devious route via DCC that your data gets from customer to supplier). They did mention the dreaded word CAPITA as a company involved. A person involved with the initial design pointed out that there were huge defects in the it, as we see. And we also found out that suppliers CAN install mobile network comms hubs in LRR areas. So why make people use DIY solutions?. The 99.3% coverage becomes more and more meaningless when this (mobile) solution was installed in the middle of Glasgow. Martin Lewis has written a scathing letter to Ed Milliband. We await further developments.


Emmanuelle_OVO
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  • November 20, 2024

If we get any updates internally we’ll update all relevant topics


  • Carbon Cutter*
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  • February 11, 2025

Intriguing to see someone else trying the FL100. For me (& a neighbour) the FL100 worked out of the box without extending the cable - see this post:

https://homeeneryefficiencyukreallife.blogspot.com/2024/09/smart-meter-3-my-smart-meter-journey.html

I hope that this helps someone.


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